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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg I have to say ladies and

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gentlemen this episode para cast has

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become more difficult than I ever ever

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expected to produce and the main reason

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is Skype its Microsoft's fault I tried

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to call our guests because he's using a

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cell phone

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that's Richard bond in fact as a matter

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of fact and what was happening here is I

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couldn't get it to make an outgoing call

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try as I might I couldn't get make a

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phone call so I did a solution that some

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people are doing now with Skype which is

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to download and solve the older version

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I'm using this guy paid for the Mac and

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Microsoft has agreed that the previous

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version in Skype 7 for the Mac may work

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better for many people and guess what

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does but we're so happy to be here I

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have draw this aggravation Richard it's

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nothing you did okay I mean I get blamed

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for everything so I don't want anybody

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else to share the blame so basically

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everything is working fine it looks like

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the show is working fine Richard please

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meet our weekly co-host Jay Randall

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Murphy

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welcome to the show thank you very much

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now I'm looking over your credentials

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here you sent me a bio and you studied

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first as a doctor medical doctor when I

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first started working professionally I

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had only a master's degree in

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anthropology it was only later that I

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get a PhD degree in cognitive psychology

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what led you by the traditional

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scientific path into things like animal

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mutilations and near-death experiences

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well I actually got my PhD doing a study

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on your death experiences I was in

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Albany New York at the time I was

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working for the Health Department

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and I after having a master's degree for

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a long time I decided to go on to my PhD

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degree and I did it to the u n-- State

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University of New York and another

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University in conjunction with another

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University and I did a study of people

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in the Albany area I think years

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hospital actually who had recovered from

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near-death experiences and the

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cardiology on it and on the Long Island

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of brain trauma center and I need to do

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these people and in order to determine

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how long the after-effects of near-death

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experiences lasted and that's how I got

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lost into that career now what brought

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me engineers into animal mutilations was

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pure curiosity I have a I do have a

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pretty solid medical background so when

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I first started to read about these

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events and I was so curious that the way

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that these cattle were being mutilated

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and not only had all that other animals

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there so there's our the the way they

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were being mutilated that I pulled all

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the symptoms together and then began a

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search of the medical literature in

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order to find something that linked all

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of these different mutilations together

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for example the tongue is often missing

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on a cow that's been mutilated and

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sometimes the eye is taken and the

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external ear which is basically just the

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cartilage is taken so and the most must

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bizarre of all with exsanguinations

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which is a removal of all the blood from

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the animal that's very very rare you

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hardly ever find cases like that

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you know I listen to talk Rick I think

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I'm listening to CSI I don't know what

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to say about that is there you would you

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like to intervene at this point or

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your comment no I swear I'm saying here

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is that you're making a description of

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how these are phallus sounds almost like

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a ritual to me oh well they they pretty

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much rule that out I mean the way the

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animals are are found and and I'm

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talking about physically is so bizarre

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that we don't really have any way of

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inflicting those kinds of mutilations

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even with our technology especially in

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the field unit you can take a cow and

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put it in a veterinarian's office and

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you could not reproduce some of those

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wounds that they experienced it's very

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very difficult to take blood out of an

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animal without leaving any blood in the

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heart or it's very difficult to do those

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those cuts that they do if you know you

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think of a straight razor as being that

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the most sharpest instrument we might

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have or a scalpel but these things are

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I'd say a couple of degrees sharper than

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that so that that's also bizarre and

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they also have these cookie cutter like

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portals through the skin which would

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appear to be made like a laser and

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what's bizarre about that is those

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little portals that they hate which

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which I arranged you know from it from

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an inch or so to maybe four or five

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inches they through those portals they

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extract the internal organs and you know

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hopefully like the intestines and the

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colon and heart and the liver that

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that's extremely bizarre you me need to

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do that you would have to not only make

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the cut you would have to reach the

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organ and you would have to for example

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remove all the collective tissue around

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the organ all the collagen and other

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connective tissue that means destroy the

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structure and liquefy it and then you

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would have to have a flexion device to

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take it out of the animal through a tube

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of some sort I mean you just don't make

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a small opening like that and take out a

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heart it's very very bizarre

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so all these symptoms were were just

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excited my curiosity so I didn't go out

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in the field I would it wasn't that

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fortunate to have something like that

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happened around Albany where I was

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working at the time so I just did a

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search of the literature and spent

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months and months trying to find

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something that linked all of these

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particular mutilations together and I

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found I think I found it

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it was prion diseases and prion diseases

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is another strange type of disease which

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is infectious but it it's not related to

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the RNA of the DNA which are normal

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channels for infection this is a protein

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it's prion is a protein and we don't

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really know okay we're going to be

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talking about the prion the this is a

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protein in the brain that we don't

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really know much about but it is not a

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traditional genetic material it doesn't

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contain the RNA or DNA it is just a

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protein which is the string of molecules

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but we don't know its function however

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when this was mutated it causes diseases

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particularly in the human population it

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causes Alzheimer's disease and in animal

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population may cause some similar

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problems but we give a different name in

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the animal population the most popular

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name is mad cow disease but it's not

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limited to cows it's actually spread to

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a lot of different animals that were not

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previously infected however now we have

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a case where the prions have not only

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jumped the animal human species barrier

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but it also has

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other animal various from the non sheep

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and cows to Maine and elk in here and

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many other species as well and the whole

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idea behind the animal mutilations may

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be to monitor the spread we're not gonna

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look for Mad Cow yet in fact that's what

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William Shatner say suffered from in the

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TV show Boston Legal if anyone remembers

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it he'd look at somebody's name Penny

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Lane anyway with with Rick and with

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Randall you're in the para cast

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we also have swag you know we have all

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these exclusive power cast things that

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you can buy we've got like I guess 60 or

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so different items and entails t-shirts

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Infante is joining us he's certainly a

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about his interest in cattle mutilations

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and also we'll get into near-death

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experiences later I want to ask him a

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lot about that okay key question here

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Richard with regard to cattle

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mutilations what you're describing to me

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sounds sophisticated but nothing that we

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can't do on earth right I'm afraid I

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disagree with that I think that a lot of

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things that are being done to cattle we

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cannot reproduce in the laboratory or in

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a clinical setting or I don't think we

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have some of this technology to do this

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but I can give you an example right now

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I the foxes have been found in and Great

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Britain with a small hole in their head

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about the size of a dime and the brain

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matter within the skull has been drawn

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out of the Fox completely so that when

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you do a necropsy which is basically an

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autopsy on an animal and you open the

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skull you find that the brains the brain

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that is all gone and I'm not sure I

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wouldn't bet my life on it but I'm sure

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I'm not sure that we are capable of

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doing something like that and you know

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that there could be some specialists who

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we challenged me but I can't understand

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how we could possibly do that and there

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are other ways other things that that

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are being done for example drawing

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internal organs of small portals

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circular hole holes through the skin

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through which they puncture the the body

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and they whisk they take out internal

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organs sometimes they do it to the

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rectum which is called anal coring

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that's very very bizarre too because

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they they draw out the colon and the

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intestines and sometimes the

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reproductive

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organs through these these small holes I

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don't know if we could do that we may be

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able to do that but I'm not sure and

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there are other things that are just a

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little bit beyond our technology

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especially when we first heard about it

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which was in the 1960s when Linda

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Moulton Howe started to do research on

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mutilated animals at that time we didn't

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have portable lasers or any

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instrumentation that could be kicking on

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the field and used on animals that way

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at least we didn't have them in civilian

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use I know that the military has some

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experimental lasers back then but yeah

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so I mean the one that they had were

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like rifle size and they required a big

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battery pack you would have to be if it

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was portable you'd have to have

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something like that or you'd have to

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have some sort of a mobile lab it's very

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least so I mean if you're talking about

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they whoever they are if we're not just

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assuming some sort of predation has to

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be using some sort of comparatively high

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technology well you're correct we've

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really made a lot of progress and laser

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size and miniaturization of some of our

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instrumentation but there are other

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factors around us which would kind of

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make it that difficult in into

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historical times because you know these

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animals I found out in the field or a

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patch of snow or sometimes in the

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backyard it just yards away from the

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person's barn or home there's never any

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sound to alert them that a mutilation is

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going on and when people when the police

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investigate the site of the middle aged

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and they never can find any tracks even

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in the snow even in in mud fields or in

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areas that are easy tracking they never

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find any indication of a struggle in

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which the animal was running around and

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trying to avoid being captured

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they never find any kind of footprints

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or tire prints or you know like if you

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had a helicopter you'd have to have

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helicopter skid marks or something like

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that but they never find any kind of

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tracks it's it's so well if they like

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got out of the sky right so so these are

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in these cases these are the the the

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small percentage of very unusual cases

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that we're talking about here it's sort

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of like if I'm a bit out of my depth in

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terms of the mutilations side of things

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I'm more a ufologist but in ufology we

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have you know so many cases that are

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fairly easily explained by something

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mundane but then we have this residue of

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a very small number that are just too

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weird and defy explanation so what sort

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of percentages are you looking at when

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we're talking about the kind of

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mutilations you just mentioned well you

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know they're not all mutilated exactly

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in the same way it varies somewhat but

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let's just draw the circle a little

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tighter and when talking about bovine

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regulations which are basically cattle

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mutilations okay so we'll we'll focus

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that on that because that's

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representative of other types of

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mutilations these these mutilations are

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repeated not only here in the southwest

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and in the West or there in Florida

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during almost almost all two states and

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they're also found in Europe and those

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Australia South America Brazil Argentina

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they're found in almost well a large

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range of countries that that have good

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communication so we know that they've

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happen we sometimes can only pick them

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up through newspaper reports so our

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radio reports but these are happening

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not only here in the United States where

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we do have quite a sophisticated

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technology but in

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areas that have very little technology

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on the Outback of Australia for example

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or in the Argentine cattle fields they

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don't seems to have as much access to

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high technology as we do so I don't

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think that explanation of we have there

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the technology to do that would hold and

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whenever the police have investigated

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these these sightings they they usually

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attribute them to predation or some some

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bizarre explanation that wouldn't make

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any sense to a scientist they don't

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really have a culprit and in all the

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years of animal mutilation which dates

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back to those the recent the recent ones

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date back to the 1960s no one has ever

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been charged with the crime of animal

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mutilation nobody has ever been captured

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in the act there's no record of the cult

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of being able getting away with doing

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this and they've been studied as well of

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the policeman and the investigative

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authorities from the federal government

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so to attribute them to our advanced

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technology or to some covert agency that

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has high technology a is still a stretch

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in my my view again we're talking about

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a small percent of the overall number of

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dead animals that are found on on a

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ranch like say if you've got a couple

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thousand cases how many of those would

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we be truly strange enough to exhibit

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these types of characteristics maybe

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let's have the answer in our next

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Richard bon Infante and Jarrod ah Murphy

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from a different point of view I think

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then what we've talked about with Chris

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O'Brien because Chris emphasized his

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feeling that this was all due to

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conventional causes but if so who would

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be doing it cultists well you know the

567
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conventional explanations are either

568
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animals are doing it or unions are doing

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it and if animals are doing yet you have

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to basically count on predators which

571
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are animals of prey that would prey on

572
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cattle or scavengers which would attack

573
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the remains of a sick or dead cow and I

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don't think any Spain pathologist would

575
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can see mutilations were done by

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scavengers or predators even though they

577
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have veterinarians have recorded that I

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don't have faith that those reports are

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accurate I think if you want to actually

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try to get information for veterinary or

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butcher more likely to get an accurate

582
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report by going to some other country it

583
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wouldn't appear that there's some force

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or some efforts being made to I guess

585
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calm down the strangeness of these

586
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mutilations and the public browser I

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guess what I'm trying to get a feel for

588
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here is what percentage of all the cases

589
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where some animal is found lying dead in

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in a field or whatever the case may be

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turns out to be something truly strange

592
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are you suggesting that most of them are

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in fact truly strange I would suggest

594
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that most of the ones that we think of

595
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as being mutilations are not only

596
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strange they're unexplainable and I know

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that I'm in a minority with this I think

598
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well I don't know I haven't taken a you

599
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know any kind of studies to see how many

600
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people go inside with me but I know that

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at least a couple people who would for

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example

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Ted only thought the third has made some

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publications in which he also sees the

605
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relationship between animal mutilations

606
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and prion diseases he differs with me

607
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and that he feels that it is the u.s.

608
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government that doing it and he does

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that primarily based on his experience

610
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examining the cows and black and the

611
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president's the black helicopters around

612
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sites were where these cows were being

613
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real ated and and then there's a like

614
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comb Kelleher who wrote a book called

615
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brain trust who also may cite on the

616
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agency being a covert government

617
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agencies I'm probably the only one who's

618
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attributing them to UFOs but that's in

619
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the context of I guess a more

620
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professional viewpoint I think the

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public and the general public may accept

622
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the explanations that these are done by

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scavengers or cultists or something else

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but I don't agree with that and I would

625
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hold that if you take this to a

626
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veterinarian who's being unbiased by I

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would say he would say either I don't

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know I did it it's unexplainable or he

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would defer his judgment that to the

630
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unknown because I did take a really

631
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bizarre thing let's carry on then was

632
00:30:58,279 --> 00:30:54,419
this connection then between the prion

633
00:31:02,889 --> 00:30:58,289
disease and this shadowy force whatever

634
00:31:06,109 --> 00:31:02,899
it is that is performing the deed so

635
00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,119
what have we got what can we deduce or

636
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:08,399
is there anything that we can sort of

637
00:31:13,819 --> 00:31:10,529
extrapolate from from the evidence on

638
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this what's your theory well you know

639
00:31:22,129 --> 00:31:18,209
the evidence all points to the the

640
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largest focus evidence indicates that

641
00:31:28,729 --> 00:31:24,899
these cattle are being mutilated to

642
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determine the extent of the prion the

643
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spread of prion diseases in both it

644
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and wild populations of mammals so

645
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another word this is an epidemiological

646
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study at a very high level and I don't

647
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disagree with all define or tell her

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that the US US agencies these are the

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military or some private agency is

650
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involved in these mutilations I think

651
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there's a very good chance that they're

652
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doing that but there's two different

653
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levels of Technology here one of them is

654
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trying to emulate the the most weird

655
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type and they're kind of like following

656
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through maybe looking for the same thing

657
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because prion diseases there's nothing

658
00:32:20,580 --> 00:32:17,830
very very scary and something that the

659
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press and the people responsible are

660
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very shy about talking about basically

661
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we're talking it for they're just for

662
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lay people we're talking about mad cow

663
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:30,940
disease essentially now what mad cow

664
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disease is only one variant that causes

665
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these prion diseases you know there's

666
00:32:44,670 --> 00:32:41,710
the new fatal familial insomnia which is

667
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:44,680
caused by prion diseases but there's a

668
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couple other diseases about the one

669
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you're talking about something called

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Chris kruetzfeldt Nick oh yeah cool

671
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disease Jamie that's the one is got mad

672
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cow disease but night cow disease is is

673
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transferable those prions i've mutated

674
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and crossed the species barrier so

675
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that's what happened in england when

676
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they had the mad cow disease several

677
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years after they had eliminated all the

678
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cows people came down in their 20s and

679
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:19,060
30s with alzheimer's disease or what

680
00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:20,800
they considered an Alzheimer's disease

681
00:33:25,740 --> 00:33:23,350
but when they did further studies they

682
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found that it was related to Alzheimer's

683
00:33:33,690 --> 00:33:28,810
disease but it was was affecting people

684
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:33,700
who had eaten tainted beef from the cows

685
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:36,340
that had been destroyed they got into

686
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:39,370
the food chain and I think there was a

687
00:33:45,220 --> 00:33:43,600
push to by the meat industry to quiet

688
00:33:47,370 --> 00:33:45,230
things down and I

689
00:33:49,930 --> 00:33:47,380
panic because it affected their trade

690
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the one that I was referring to is

691
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bovine spongiform encephalopathy that's

692
00:34:00,280 --> 00:33:57,380
right yeah right so that's the one that

693
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they say can transfer between cows and

694
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:03,669
humans if the remaining two tainted meat

695
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:07,850
no bovine spongiform encephalopathy

696
00:34:14,919 --> 00:34:10,310
caused net pounders D is that that's

697
00:34:19,510 --> 00:34:14,929
then that's the version that infects

698
00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:19,520
cows but when when it in fact cows in

699
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:23,030
mutate and sometimes the mutations jump

700
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:25,850
species barriers it's not easy to do

701
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:30,669
that but they break all the rules of

702
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:32,540
Epidemiology that you know they don't

703
00:34:37,540 --> 00:34:34,730
have any genetic material it's just a

704
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:37,550
protein and we don't know the functions

705
00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:39,350
of the protein but in new tapes

706
00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:41,240
in different animals and it sometimes

707
00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:44,179
jumps through the species barrier so

708
00:34:49,419 --> 00:34:47,149
bovine spongiform encephalitis cause

709
00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:49,429
crews felt first felt Jakob disease

710
00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:53,179
which was different a pre a different

711
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:55,550
prion disease and there are probably

712
00:35:01,090 --> 00:34:58,970
over a hundred different prion diseases

713
00:35:02,890 --> 00:35:01,100
different animals they give them a

714
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,900
difference in this name in and deer and

715
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:04,880
elk they call it chronic wasting disease

716
00:35:10,570 --> 00:35:08,090
and sheep they call it crepey there's

717
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:10,580
fatal at them you know insomnia it

718
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:12,680
doesn't seem like it has something to do

719
00:35:16,270 --> 00:35:14,750
with prions but that's the prion disease

720
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:16,280
and there's you know a minke

721
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transmissible encephalopathy there's a

722
00:35:23,890 --> 00:35:20,780
large number of different versions of

723
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,900
this out there and what's those areas

724
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that this disease this prion disease

725
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which you usually can find - milk milk

726
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or very very rarely in a human

727
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population so that we didn't really

728
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,160
understand what it was we just get with

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Alzheimer's disease and as you know the

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rate of Alzheimer's disease has

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733
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sometimes that crew spelled Jakob

734
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disease which is the version mad of mad

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listening to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio

858
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with Randall and with Richard I'm gene

859
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Steinberg let's continue with a

860
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fascinating discussion about these

861
00:41:16,220 --> 00:41:13,290
various conditions and animal

862
00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:16,230
mutilations go ahead please Randall yeah

863
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,910
well we were just talking about the

864
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:19,440
effect of these prions

865
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:22,650
which are there they're not as Richard

866
00:41:27,980 --> 00:41:26,250
was saying your normal protein cells in

867
00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:27,990
your body they're made of amino acids

868
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:32,340
but they tend to wrap around the normal

869
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cells in your brain and nervous system

870
00:41:40,970 --> 00:41:37,890
and clamp them off and cause holes and

871
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:40,980
cause a degenerative disease so these

872
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,600
are really really tiny tiny things at

873
00:41:49,340 --> 00:41:48,000
the molecular level so is there any

874
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:49,350
indication Richard where these things

875
00:41:57,020 --> 00:41:53,970
that come from to begin with no whatever

876
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:57,030
it is it's something that we innately

877
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:01,440
have but like cancer sometimes there's

878
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:03,950
no mutation and that mutation is

879
00:42:11,330 --> 00:42:06,690
transferred by one means or another

880
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:11,340
either by ingestion or by air or but

881
00:42:17,090 --> 00:42:14,970
unlike other infectious diseases we

882
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:17,100
usually have a protection when we have

883
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,730
different species and sometimes the

884
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:23,280
prions need to go through three

885
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:25,440
different mutation stages before they

886
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:27,330
can inspect for it for example human

887
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being

888
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:32,510
so in prions the earliest known

889
00:42:38,660 --> 00:42:35,310
infections were with sheep and they call

890
00:42:42,260 --> 00:42:38,670
that disease scrapey scrapey in sheets

891
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:42,270
was basically Alzheimer's and sheep but

892
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:46,650
at an accelerated rate somehow maybe

893
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:52,110
through feeding ground up sheep to cows

894
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:55,440
for protein they get transferred to cows

895
00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:58,650
and cows became infected with will be

896
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:01,380
called that cow disease which is the cow

897
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:04,830
version of Alzheimer's but from that

898
00:43:11,390 --> 00:43:08,700
point there as the disease spread to

899
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:11,400
many many cows thousands and thousands

900
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:12,570
of cows that had to be

901
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:14,220
destroyed because they had this disease

902
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,450
there was a push not to make the general

903
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:19,440
population

904
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:22,530
it started in England to make them not

905
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:25,470
panic so a lot of people in the

906
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:27,570
government and in the media ate

907
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:29,970
hamburgers and encouraged people to keep

908
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:33,170
eating meat and as a result of that

909
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:36,510
maybe three or four years after the mad

910
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:39,720
cow disease people in their 20s started

911
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:43,500
coming down with a new version which is

912
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:46,890
called kruetzfeldt Jakob encephalopathy

913
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:50,430
and that disease is the main cow in

914
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:55,020
people so they were many cases I don't

915
00:44:02,830 --> 00:43:58,770
know maybe 28 or 30 documented cases of

916
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:02,840
people having contracted mad cow disease

917
00:44:10,060 --> 00:44:06,510
through eating tainted meat products

918
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:10,070
from cows and that was the alarm for the

919
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:13,320
epidemiologist and they struggle very

920
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,300
hard to eradicate the disease in cows

921
00:44:23,660 --> 00:44:20,880
and to assure the public that they had

922
00:44:25,940 --> 00:44:23,670
taken care of the problem however the

923
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:25,950
problem wasn't taken care of as a matter

924
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,230
of fact we didn't really understand

925
00:44:33,020 --> 00:44:30,720
enough about prions know they're almost

926
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:33,030
indestructible now you can take the

927
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:35,700
prion and good as in an autoclave which

928
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:38,990
is like a microwave they use the clean

929
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:42,120
medical instruments and it won't kill

930
00:44:47,570 --> 00:44:45,330
the prion and if you have body fluids

931
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,580
that contain prions like from beer or

932
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:49,440
something and they drop into the soil

933
00:44:56,060 --> 00:44:52,610
they will remain veralyn for years and

934
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:56,070
they can infect anybody who eats grass

935
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:00,420
from that soil or somehow come in

936
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:03,090
contact with that soil it seems to me

937
00:45:09,110 --> 00:45:05,640
that I recall some claims being made

938
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:09,120
that the prions themselves can be

939
00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:12,030
destroyed using a high volume hydrogen

940
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:14,250
peroxide and that there was hydrogen

941
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:15,870
peroxide treatments that were taking

942
00:45:24,130 --> 00:45:17,970
place and they were having some success

943
00:45:28,989 --> 00:45:26,329
from what I understand

944
00:45:32,150 --> 00:45:28,999
from reading another Kalitta richer

945
00:45:35,209 --> 00:45:32,160
these are they're almost made of

946
00:45:37,489 --> 00:45:35,219
kryptonite these proteins the problem

947
00:45:39,319 --> 00:45:37,499
with the protein is that once you get

948
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:39,329
infected with one of these prion

949
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:43,140
proteins they convert normal proteins

950
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:46,680
into mutant variety so it's almost like

951
00:45:53,269 --> 00:45:50,160
today they create zombies by being in

952
00:45:55,999 --> 00:45:53,279
contact so the normal protein comes in

953
00:45:58,969 --> 00:45:56,009
contact with a prion protein they change

954
00:46:01,729 --> 00:45:58,979
into a prion protein and it's like a

955
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:01,739
deck of cards or like you know dominoes

956
00:46:07,189 --> 00:46:04,529
they just go from one to the other until

957
00:46:10,099 --> 00:46:07,199
in a matter of years thirties months

958
00:46:15,890 --> 00:46:10,109
they can destroy a person's memory or

959
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:15,900
his coordination or his yeah it infects

960
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:18,119
the the people so severely that

961
00:46:24,199 --> 00:46:21,930
everybody who comes infected with a

962
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,209
prion disease dies they say it's fatal

963
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,160
if you know it's just a matter of time

964
00:46:32,109 --> 00:46:28,920
the difference between Alzheimer's and

965
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,119
these prion related diseases is that

966
00:46:40,249 --> 00:46:35,640
normally Alzheimer's the incubation time

967
00:46:42,289 --> 00:46:40,259
may be years maybe 10 20 years but but

968
00:46:46,339 --> 00:46:42,299
the prion related disease has been more

969
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:46,349
Durham on so they can become ill and die

970
00:46:49,999 --> 00:46:49,529
within a matter of months or years at

971
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:50,009
the most

972
00:46:54,259 --> 00:46:52,049
there's no question as dangerous and

973
00:46:56,890 --> 00:46:54,269
it's scary stuff for anyone who you know

974
00:47:02,509 --> 00:46:56,900
values their workings of their own mind

975
00:47:07,699 --> 00:47:02,519
so if this is being studied by some

976
00:47:10,939 --> 00:47:07,709
shadowy force it sounds like it's

977
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,949
something that could be weaponized or is

978
00:47:19,999 --> 00:47:14,160
it what is the motivation behind it then

979
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:20,009
I mean clue to that well I don't know if

980
00:47:25,939 --> 00:47:23,670
it's been intentionally done but when

981
00:47:28,939 --> 00:47:25,949
the disease was first discovered its

982
00:47:32,179 --> 00:47:28,949
name was kuru and it was a generative

983
00:47:39,250 --> 00:47:32,189
this brain disease among tribe called

984
00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:39,260
them Mari in Papua New Guinea and

985
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:41,540
you know yeah there's the several

986
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:43,790
scientists none from Australia and some

987
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:45,290
from the United States towards the

988
00:47:49,870 --> 00:47:47,450
studies the disease and when they were

989
00:47:51,820 --> 00:47:49,880
there they spent samples they tried to

990
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:51,830
find out what in the diet was causing

991
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:54,800
that and they spent samples of blood of

992
00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:57,290
brain tissue that actually of whole

993
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:00,440
grains to Bethesda Maryland where they

994
00:48:10,780 --> 00:48:06,770
were analyzed and the the the infectious

995
00:48:15,490 --> 00:48:10,790
part was was tested to see how geralyn's

996
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:15,500
it was by being injected into monkey and

997
00:48:21,790 --> 00:48:19,310
some chimpanzees and other ones BOSU

998
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:21,800
life that they had and of zoos not a

999
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:23,870
Wildlife Zoo somewhere in Maryland and

1000
00:48:29,350 --> 00:48:26,630
in that process they may have inspected

1001
00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:29,360
many different species that got away

1002
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:32,860
from the compound and spread the disease

1003
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:37,370
so we know that it's spread by ingestion

1004
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:41,420
and we we don't really know what other

1005
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:44,150
ways they can be spread but it hasn't

1006
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:46,730
been studies enough to know but we do

1007
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:51,170
know that since the 1950s or so when we

1008
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:53,470
first were aware of the fooler disease

1009
00:48:59,890 --> 00:48:56,960
it has crossed the species barrier into

1010
00:49:04,420 --> 00:48:59,900
cows and then from thousand people into

1011
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:04,430
Maine came to elephant a deer and maybe

1012
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:09,170
into many other animals as well and the

1013
00:49:15,100 --> 00:49:12,500
reason that I connect alien intervention

1014
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:15,110
in this is because these mutilations

1015
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:17,840
really began in the 1960s and they were

1016
00:49:22,420 --> 00:49:20,450
so sophisticated that I don't think we

1017
00:49:24,550 --> 00:49:22,430
had any instrumentation capable of

1018
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:24,560
carrying out those mutilations they was

1019
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:28,040
very sophisticated and and I think that

1020
00:49:33,790 --> 00:49:31,370
in the process of trying to find out

1021
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:33,800
what these mutilations were that our

1022
00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:36,170
government became aware of their purpose

1023
00:49:42,730 --> 00:49:40,190
and in trying to catch up and to emulate

1024
00:49:46,570 --> 00:49:42,740
what perhaps the aliens have been doing

1025
00:49:50,500 --> 00:49:46,580
they are also involved in similar

1026
00:49:53,290 --> 00:49:50,510
activities to and similar studies to try

1027
00:49:55,570 --> 00:49:53,300
to carry out

1028
00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:55,580
geological studies to find out the

1029
00:50:00,310 --> 00:49:58,220
extent that this is spreading you know

1030
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,320
the speed and the extent and the range

1031
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:01,760
that this was spreading throughout the

1032
00:50:05,110 --> 00:50:02,300
world

1033
00:50:07,240 --> 00:50:05,120
okay so then we've got what we've got is

1034
00:50:09,790 --> 00:50:07,250
we've got two factions here you're

1035
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:09,800
saying we've got the essentially we've

1036
00:50:19,500 --> 00:50:13,820
got us with our scientists trying to

1037
00:50:22,900 --> 00:50:19,510
figure out the problem and that well

1038
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:22,910
yeah yeah well that one I think that's

1039
00:50:27,790 --> 00:50:25,280
pretty obvious we do have groups of our

1040
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:27,800
own our own scientists human scientists

1041
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:29,750
that are studying the problem in labs

1042
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:31,610
and trying to figure it out I don't

1043
00:50:36,430 --> 00:50:32,930
think there's any question about that

1044
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:36,440
the question we have is this other sort

1045
00:50:40,060 --> 00:50:38,180
of shadowy group whether it's or aliens

1046
00:50:44,590 --> 00:50:40,070
or something else that seem to be

1047
00:50:47,050 --> 00:50:44,600
involved with it so what do you think is

1048
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:47,060
happening here are our people going

1049
00:50:55,780 --> 00:50:52,160
around and chasing after the particular

1050
00:50:57,340 --> 00:50:55,790
cases hi strange cases to see what the

1051
00:50:59,770 --> 00:50:57,350
aliens are doing or is it something

1052
00:51:02,170 --> 00:50:59,780
separate you know what folks let's to

1053
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our break now business involves a long

1054
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1055
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1056
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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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here's Jane Steinberg first part of this

1111
00:53:58,310 --> 00:53:55,230
episode the power cast is focusing very

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00:54:01,550 --> 00:53:58,320
heavily on alum you know mutilations

1113
00:54:04,310 --> 00:54:01,560
Richard bond and font and our weekly

1114
00:54:06,770 --> 00:54:04,320
co-state Randall Murphy and Richard

1115
00:54:08,900 --> 00:54:06,780
feels that there's some et intervention

1116
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:08,910
in there and just as a contrast with

1117
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:11,190
regular listeners we know of course that

1118
00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:14,490
our own Chris O'Brien the former coast

1119
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:18,060
of the para cast he looked for a more

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00:54:22,220 --> 00:54:19,770
terrestrial solution in his book

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00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,230
stalking of the herd Randall you want to

1122
00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:24,720
pick up on that right we were talking

1123
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:26,820
about two different groups that are

1124
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:27,930
involved in this so we're not just

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00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:31,170
talking exclusively about aliens or our

1126
00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:34,620
own medical researchers is there also

1127
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:37,830
some maybe other third terrestrial sort

1128
00:54:43,340 --> 00:54:41,610
of shadowy force involved here and when

1129
00:54:45,860 --> 00:54:43,350
why don't we see them coming out say

1130
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:45,870
when somebody reports a cattle

1131
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:47,790
mutilation why don't we see somebody say

1132
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:49,590
from the Department of Defense or the

1133
00:54:55,270 --> 00:54:52,610
CDC out there then if that's the case

1134
00:54:58,940 --> 00:54:55,280
trying to figure out what's going on

1135
00:55:03,440 --> 00:54:58,950
well I think the person who best answers

1136
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:03,450
that is comb teller her which I don't

1137
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:05,610
know if you've had him on your show but

1138
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:08,190
he's the microbiologist from Trinity

1139
00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:10,050
College in Ireland that has been

1140
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:12,900
studying this this problem quite a while

1141
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:17,580
and he blames complacency in the

1142
00:55:23,330 --> 00:55:19,980
American media and the American health

1143
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:23,340
system like the CDC for undermining the

1144
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:26,730
seriousness of this epidemic and I agree

1145
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:29,910
with them I think that we are taking it

1146
00:55:36,350 --> 00:55:33,750
seriously at the military and maybe the

1147
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:36,360
CDC is taking it seriously but they're

1148
00:55:41,810 --> 00:55:39,300
doing the studies covertly and we're not

1149
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:41,820
getting any of the results now that may

1150
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:46,680
be because they feel it's Oh a national

1151
00:55:50,660 --> 00:55:49,290
problem that that would be difficult to

1152
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:50,670
handle but

1153
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:53,070
the Europeans have handled it out in the

1154
00:55:57,860 --> 00:55:54,480
open they they've been very

1155
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,870
straightforward about inspecting me and

1156
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:00,960
the Japanese are very forward about it I

1157
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:03,630
don't know why we don't have more

1158
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:07,410
serious coverage of for example herds of

1159
00:56:13,970 --> 00:56:11,640
elk or deer that I found dead in in

1160
00:56:16,970 --> 00:56:13,980
various places throughout the country

1161
00:56:19,250 --> 00:56:16,980
and they just maybe said that you know a

1162
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,260
herd of elk who found it all dead in a

1163
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:21,660
certain area but you don't know if they

1164
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:23,940
died of prion diseases or what and

1165
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:25,530
there's no explanation and there's no

1166
00:56:30,260 --> 00:56:28,050
follow-up I've actually seen those

1167
00:56:33,860 --> 00:56:30,270
articles where they have said it has

1168
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:33,870
been some sort of prion disease in elk

1169
00:56:39,230 --> 00:56:36,540
herds but like you say it tends to be

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00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:39,240
buried and you have to I've never seen

1171
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:41,310
it in the papers I have seen it in

1172
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:43,050
independent articles on the internet but

1173
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:45,120
you really got a dig for it I mean

1174
00:56:47,930 --> 00:56:47,370
there's that error that's correct that's

1175
00:56:49,850 --> 00:56:47,940
correct

1176
00:56:52,130 --> 00:56:49,860
you're absolutely right and that's what

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00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:52,140
I'm trying to get at there are people

1178
00:56:56,780 --> 00:56:54,540
who are really dedicated and as a matter

1179
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:56,790
of fact the prisoner who won the Nobel

1180
00:57:02,570 --> 00:56:58,920
Prize for his work on discovering what

1181
00:57:05,450 --> 00:57:02,580
the prions were but it's not really

1182
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:05,460
covered in proportion to its seriousness

1183
00:57:11,810 --> 00:57:09,510
and I think in that regard it's been

1184
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:11,820
because of the complacency of our health

1185
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:14,100
authorities this is something that

1186
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:16,170
should be covered and it should be we

1187
00:57:20,780 --> 00:57:18,000
should be inspecting me much more

1188
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:20,790
carefully we inspect a very small

1189
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:23,850
percentage maybe only 2% of the elderly

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00:57:29,420 --> 00:57:27,300
cows that are being slaughtered and we

1191
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:29,430
think there at first we thought that

1192
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:32,220
only the cows that that couldn't stand

1193
00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:34,650
or had problems walking were

1194
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:37,590
contaminated cows but the most recent

1195
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:41,460
cow epidemic up in Washington State was

1196
00:57:45,380 --> 00:57:43,410
with a standing cow they didn't have any

1197
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:45,390
other symptoms and it was discovered

1198
00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:49,200
that it had it had the med cow disease

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so you know we should be inspecting more

1200
00:57:57,110 --> 00:57:54,630
cows and we should inspect them more

1201
00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:57,120
thoroughly I think that the Europeans

1202
00:58:02,030 --> 00:57:59,370
and the Japanese are really far in

1203
00:58:04,190 --> 00:58:02,040
advance of our own but they don't they

1204
00:58:07,940 --> 00:58:04,200
don't treat it as something

1205
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:07,950
that would be a national problem that

1206
00:58:13,010 --> 00:58:09,810
they treated there's the national

1207
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:13,020
concern and I think part of the problem

1208
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:16,170
is that we not aware of the popular

1209
00:58:21,650 --> 00:58:18,210
general population is not aware of the

1210
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:21,660
seriousness Breann disease I know that

1211
00:58:26,780 --> 00:58:24,390
here in Canada we do have inspections

1212
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:26,790
for this and I remember it being in the

1213
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:31,170
news and right now actually since 2007

1214
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:34,770
Canada has been recognized as a what's

1215
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:38,490
called a controlled BSE risk country and

1216
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:40,770
in the states it seems like they there's

1217
00:58:45,829 --> 00:58:43,530
so much more of an industry there that

1218
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:45,839
is harder to regulate and inspect so

1219
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:48,810
from what I recall is has a lot to do

1220
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:50,010
with the type of feed that they were

1221
00:58:54,290 --> 00:58:51,720
giving to the cows because they were

1222
00:58:56,420 --> 00:58:54,300
they discovered that they were actually

1223
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:56,430
feeding cows back to themselves as food

1224
00:59:00,859 --> 00:58:58,770
and they were cooking them in this high

1225
00:59:02,450 --> 00:59:00,869
temperature then one theory was that

1226
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:02,460
that this was breaking down the protein

1227
00:59:09,260 --> 00:59:06,089
into these amino strands that would sort

1228
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,270
of spontaneously form this Breann in the

1229
00:59:14,089 --> 00:59:11,160
food chain and since they've cut that

1230
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:14,099
out there's been a big decline in the

1231
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:16,710
incidence of it and and yet now it's out

1232
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:20,790
in the wild and what do we do right the

1233
00:59:26,300 --> 00:59:22,950
process you're calling who you describe

1234
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:26,310
is called rendering and that's when we

1235
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,290
cows are cows they can't make it to

1236
00:59:33,410 --> 00:59:31,200
market our sons to a factory where they

1237
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:33,420
display the cow as they burned up the

1238
00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,420
meat and they turned it into proteins in

1239
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:39,180
which they give back to the cow and in

1240
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:41,150
the sense they're just transmitting

1241
00:59:47,180 --> 00:59:44,520
retransmitting the the prions back into

1242
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:47,190
the cow population by grounding up by

1243
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:51,839
grinding up contaminated cows or others

1244
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:55,290
but this thing is for example you have

1245
01:00:00,050 --> 00:59:57,690
feed for cows but to supplement that

1246
01:00:05,380 --> 01:00:00,060
their their intake of hay and things if

1247
01:00:08,660 --> 01:00:05,390
you feed them this this room rendered

1248
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:08,670
meal or or pellets or something that

1249
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:12,089
sometimes the animals that are not cows

1250
01:00:17,529 --> 01:00:15,089
will go into the pasture and eat these

1251
01:00:22,479 --> 01:00:17,539
these pellets as well perhaps

1252
01:00:25,329 --> 01:00:22,489
raccoons coyotes whatever you know they

1253
01:00:28,899 --> 01:00:25,339
might just go and feed on that and some

1254
01:00:31,329 --> 01:00:28,909
of them may produce mutations in which

1255
01:00:33,099 --> 01:00:31,339
they can now carry the disease and

1256
01:00:34,509 --> 01:00:33,109
spread it to other animals I think

1257
01:00:36,969 --> 01:00:34,519
that's what happened and the deer and

1258
01:00:38,949 --> 01:00:36,979
the elk population part of the problem

1259
01:00:43,389 --> 01:00:38,959
seems is that there's no real validated

1260
01:00:45,929 --> 01:00:43,399
live animal test for B se it has to be

1261
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:45,939
done in an autopsy type setting where

1262
01:00:51,669 --> 01:00:48,529
the animal has actually destroyed their

1263
01:00:53,199 --> 01:00:51,679
brain and and nervous system that could

1264
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:53,209
be infected as to be taken out and

1265
01:00:57,219 --> 01:00:55,130
examined very carefully under

1266
01:00:59,169 --> 01:00:57,229
high-powered magnification you're

1267
01:01:02,289 --> 01:00:59,179
absolutely right and that's why a lot of

1268
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:02,299
the pathologist in California won't

1269
01:01:07,209 --> 01:01:05,209
examine Alzheimer's brains because they

1270
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:07,219
were afraid of contaminating their

1271
01:01:11,919 --> 01:01:09,380
instruments or themselves and in the

1272
01:01:14,409 --> 01:01:11,929
process of determining what if it was

1273
01:01:17,379 --> 01:01:14,419
Alzheimer's or if it was prion related

1274
01:01:18,969 --> 01:01:17,389
disease there's a reluctance to deal

1275
01:01:22,539 --> 01:01:18,979
with that and they just Group these

1276
01:01:26,349 --> 01:01:22,549
deaths under you know mental

1277
01:01:28,449 --> 01:01:26,359
deterioration and Alzheimer's and so

1278
01:01:30,939 --> 01:01:28,459
they they bury it and we don't know what

1279
01:01:33,579 --> 01:01:30,949
percentage of the people who died from

1280
01:01:36,339 --> 01:01:33,589
Alzheimer's may have the human version

1281
01:01:39,269 --> 01:01:36,349
of mad cow disease and then mistaking it

1282
01:01:43,419 --> 01:01:39,279
or they not refined enough to determine

1283
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:43,429
how how much it's changed over time so I

1284
01:01:48,729 --> 01:01:46,880
suspect that the increase in Alzheimer's

1285
01:01:52,569 --> 01:01:48,739
over the past two decades

1286
01:01:54,609 --> 01:01:52,579
Nathan's feel a lot of prion disease as

1287
01:01:57,489 --> 01:01:54,619
an increase in prion disease especially

1288
01:02:00,999 --> 01:01:57,499
when it occurs and the younger ages they

1289
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:01,009
from the 20s on normally Alzheimer's

1290
01:02:05,829 --> 01:02:03,169
occurs later on in life like when their

1291
01:02:08,499 --> 01:02:05,839
sixties and seventies but the more

1292
01:02:12,189 --> 01:02:08,509
virulent version of proof over

1293
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:12,199
Jakub disease occurs you know the teen

1294
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:14,089
oh well almost the teenagers but the

1295
01:02:18,279 --> 01:02:16,729
young adult and then they're 20 and they

1296
01:02:21,429 --> 01:02:18,289
don't live for more than a year and a

1297
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:21,439
half those cases should all be examined

1298
01:02:27,669 --> 01:02:24,799
and and verified as being whatever they

1299
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,679
are well then again of course those but

1300
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:29,440
this presents a real problem for

1301
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:33,280
then in the gene had mentioned Chris

1302
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:37,359
Christopher O'Brien who is very well

1303
01:02:41,309 --> 01:02:39,250
known on our forums here and on the show

1304
01:02:43,650 --> 01:02:41,319
and has written pretty much the

1305
01:02:46,770 --> 01:02:43,660
definitive book on the subject and one

1306
01:02:49,890 --> 01:02:46,780
of the questions he's asking is is to

1307
01:02:52,410 --> 01:02:49,900
sort of frame this question is that do

1308
01:02:54,450 --> 01:02:52,420
you think that coordinating mutilation

1309
01:02:57,420 --> 01:02:54,460
research and investigation is at all

1310
01:03:00,240 --> 01:02:57,430
possible when reporters and researchers

1311
01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:00,250
such as Linda Howe and Chuck Zukowski

1312
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:02,230
10:00 tomorrow promote the idea that

1313
01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:05,410
it's only aliens that are responsible

1314
01:03:09,359 --> 01:03:07,540
for all mutilations we got more to come

1315
01:03:10,410 --> 01:03:09,369
on the animal mutilations subject a

1316
01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:10,420
little bit later it's gonna be a

1317
01:03:14,940 --> 01:03:12,579
near-death experiences got a lot of

1318
01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:14,950
questions about that for Rick we've got

1319
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:16,869
Randall and gene and that means you're

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para cast job so Randall you asked Rick

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the kind of lengthy question there and I

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guess focusing on the possibility that

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01:08:04,530 --> 01:08:02,260
some of the guilty parties in these

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01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:04,540
animal mutilations or et would you go on

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with that question please right yeah

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I'll just reframe that because I didn't

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do a very good job of it before the

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break do you think the coordinating

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01:08:16,829 --> 01:08:14,920
mutilation research an investigation is

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01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:16,839
at all possible when reporters and

1434
01:08:21,059 --> 01:08:19,150
researchers such as Linda Howe or tuck

1435
01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:21,069
Zukowski tend to promote the idea that

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01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:23,140
it can only be aliens that are

1437
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:25,690
responsible for all mutilations now

1438
01:08:29,130 --> 01:08:28,089
Chris puts that in quotes and says they

1439
01:08:31,499 --> 01:08:29,140
won't have anything to do with

1440
01:08:33,300 --> 01:08:31,509
researchers whose investigations have

1441
01:08:36,650 --> 01:08:33,310
come to other conclusions

1442
01:08:39,539 --> 01:08:36,660
now if we've got that going on in the

1443
01:08:42,539 --> 01:08:39,549
non professional field so to speak and

1444
01:08:44,970 --> 01:08:42,549
in civilian science research how are

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01:08:47,579 --> 01:08:44,980
people in actual science going to take

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01:08:48,990 --> 01:08:47,589
it seriously I know what are we supposed

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01:08:50,519 --> 01:08:49,000
to how are we supposed to convince them

1448
01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:50,529
that they should be doing this because

1449
01:08:57,450 --> 01:08:54,640
aliens are researching prion disease in

1450
01:08:59,220 --> 01:08:57,460
cows and humans how do we make any

1451
01:09:02,340 --> 01:08:59,230
progress because on either side of the

1452
01:09:05,370 --> 01:09:02,350
equation it seems like people are going

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to be really shying away from any sort

1454
01:09:07,140 --> 01:09:06,700
of research that has anything to do with

1455
01:09:09,809 --> 01:09:07,150
it

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01:09:12,030 --> 01:09:09,819
well I think you run into a different

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01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:12,040
kind of problems but one having to do

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01:09:19,740 --> 01:09:15,759
with human beings it seems like we all

1459
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develop prejudices and we don't really

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sit down and talk professionally with

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01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:27,520
one another with the guys any problem I

1462
01:09:33,059 --> 01:09:29,830
mean I think that people could

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coordinate themselves and work if they

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could agree to listen to the other side

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and to address what whatever problems

1466
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but I suppose from the from whatever

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critic you're

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for example so Brian could you know

1469
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:48,509
listen to people who claim that is done

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by alien and explain their point that

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their argument as to why they believe

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01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:55,080
that's true

1473
01:10:00,470 --> 01:09:58,050
and the vice-versa the other person is

1474
01:10:04,359 --> 01:10:00,480
true I happen to think that both aliens

1475
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:04,369
and humans are working on the thing but

1476
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:06,449
let me ask you a quick question here

1477
01:10:10,820 --> 01:10:08,310
because you're raising that I want to

1478
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try to get a movement on this because we

1479
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will not switch to another topic later

1480
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:15,929
that is you feel that at least some of

1481
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:18,330
these mutilations caused by alien

1482
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:20,730
intervention how do we know they're

1483
01:10:28,820 --> 01:10:22,199
alien and how do we know they're

1484
01:10:31,939 --> 01:10:28,830
terrestrial the duty Dorothy abduction

1485
01:10:35,180 --> 01:10:31,949
but in the duty during abduction which

1486
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:35,190
was published in from one of Linda

1487
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:38,520
Moulton Howes first production were

1488
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:41,460
first publications then it was I think

1489
01:10:49,700 --> 01:10:44,719
in one of the appendices may be appended

1490
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:49,710
well where this woman who was on doctor

1491
01:10:58,399 --> 01:10:53,010
she and her daughter were abducted they

1492
01:11:01,939 --> 01:10:58,409
were they saw a brown and white being

1493
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:01,949
raised up in a tractor beam of the

1494
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:06,000
yellow light into a UFO and then there's

1495
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:08,130
the gap in their memory and they're in

1496
01:11:13,340 --> 01:11:11,850
the UFO and a woman's daughter Judy's

1497
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:13,350
daughter I think her name was Linda

1498
01:11:19,070 --> 01:11:16,260
finds herself on an examining table but

1499
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:19,080
the mother is in a room were an actual

1500
01:11:26,060 --> 01:11:21,150
disaffection estate he's faced by the

1501
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:26,070
aliens and in that beam she reports that

1502
01:11:34,899 --> 01:11:31,739
the cow is alive and he has all these

1503
01:11:37,609 --> 01:11:34,909
tubes being put into it somehow and

1504
01:11:39,109 --> 01:11:37,619
material is coming out of these tubes

1505
01:11:41,689 --> 01:11:39,119
and they're coming

1506
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:41,699
intubation just a moment here guys

1507
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,760
they're torturing this animal I mean I

1508
01:11:49,939 --> 01:11:46,320
guess we can say you're torturing the

1509
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:49,949
animal when you eat it but something

1510
01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:52,560
like this here is this is I guess part

1511
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:54,420
and parcel of alien Sokol alien

1512
01:11:58,190 --> 01:11:55,530
abductions

1513
01:12:02,450 --> 01:11:58,200
were they a mist or physical exams and

1514
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:02,460
they're none too nice about it yeah they

1515
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:06,090
don't ask approval they don't have to do

1516
01:12:11,450 --> 01:12:09,540
it obviously the cow it's more difficult

1517
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:11,460
it's just a matter of absorbing some

1518
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:14,070
humanity but if we're gonna take animals

1519
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:17,460
and harvest them for food you know

1520
01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:19,230
that's not very different but we like to

1521
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:21,870
hope that aliens coming down here would

1522
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:24,210
be nice to the humans at least well I

1523
01:12:30,340 --> 01:12:26,010
think that they have a different agenda

1524
01:12:34,670 --> 01:12:30,350
and I think that the infection of the

1525
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,680
the entire biosphere with infectious

1526
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:37,560
prion may not be in their interest as

1527
01:12:42,770 --> 01:12:40,170
well so I think they have the vested

1528
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:42,780
stake and what they're doing no they

1529
01:12:49,190 --> 01:12:44,850
don't ask permission and what they do is

1530
01:12:51,650 --> 01:12:49,200
cool and I have no excuse for for this

1531
01:12:54,650 --> 01:12:51,660
type of thing myself I I see this is

1532
01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:54,660
just animal cruelty but the fact is that

1533
01:13:00,410 --> 01:12:57,360
these things are happening and we just

1534
01:13:02,690 --> 01:13:00,420
can't ignore it is that most of these

1535
01:13:05,180 --> 01:13:02,700
cows that are taken and they're mostly

1536
01:13:08,150 --> 01:13:05,190
paused not Bulls the most of them that

1537
01:13:11,260 --> 01:13:08,160
are taken are between one and five years

1538
01:13:13,940 --> 01:13:11,270
old and they seem to be concentrating on

1539
01:13:16,340 --> 01:13:13,950
sometimes on the pregnant female cows

1540
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:16,350
and they're interested in the younger

1541
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:17,970
cows and they're focusing their

1542
01:13:22,910 --> 01:13:20,580
attention mostly on them and I think

1543
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:22,920
that there's something important being

1544
01:13:28,700 --> 01:13:26,640
studied because all of the gentle parts

1545
01:13:31,190 --> 01:13:28,710
of the animal are very scrupulous ly

1546
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:31,200
taken and studied and I think that

1547
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:34,320
they're you're examining the potential

1548
01:13:41,450 --> 01:13:39,090
for reproductive contamination so I want

1549
01:13:43,550 --> 01:13:41,460
to make a point that this is in fact

1550
01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:43,560
animal cruelty and what they did in

1551
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:45,720
human beings there's no no different

1552
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:48,390
it's just psychological at the end and

1553
01:13:53,390 --> 01:13:51,810
there's no condition asked nor given you

1554
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:53,400
know this is something that happens

1555
01:13:59,210 --> 01:13:56,730
without consent and there's on my part

1556
01:14:02,990 --> 01:13:59,220
or whoever is spending this it should be

1557
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:03,000
clear that this is animal mutilation and

1558
01:14:08,150 --> 01:14:05,100
the brutalist form maybe they're just

1559
01:14:09,170 --> 01:14:08,160
looking at it the way the people in the

1560
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:09,180
labs you mentioned

1561
01:14:16,100 --> 01:14:12,570
we're giving this disease to Apes and

1562
01:14:19,790 --> 01:14:16,110
monkeys chimpanzees I mean they're good

1563
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:19,800
sentient creatures but there's the sense

1564
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:22,050
of Eucharist on this and that you know

1565
01:14:29,150 --> 01:14:26,490
we and they also are doing things from

1566
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:29,160
this position of superiority animals

1567
01:14:35,290 --> 01:14:31,290
yeah we're down when in the food chain

1568
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:35,300
now all of a sudden it seems like yeah

1569
01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:39,840
that's true but anyway I think what I

1570
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,140
was saying is that there are people who

1571
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:44,880
have been abducted who have actually

1572
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:48,510
witnessed these things and also yes

1573
01:14:53,780 --> 01:14:51,480
there are like helicopters that that are

1574
01:14:56,930 --> 01:14:53,790
found in the vicinity of the mutilated

1575
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:56,940
cows and often people like in uniforms

1576
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:58,650
none

1577
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:02,400
uniforms that are doing things but there

1578
01:15:09,410 --> 01:15:05,370
is also a much larger number of cases

1579
01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:09,420
were UFOs are seen in the vicinity and

1580
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,470
and I was kind of linked with the animal

1581
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:16,800
mutilations as well I'm sorry go ahead

1582
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:19,050
it's okay finish that sentence you were

1583
01:15:23,420 --> 01:15:21,390
saying you wouldn't challenge Chris's no

1584
01:15:27,860 --> 01:15:23,430
I think that that I think that there are

1585
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:27,870
very and maybe covert health agencies

1586
01:15:32,900 --> 01:15:30,690
involved in general mutilation I don't

1587
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:32,910
dispute that I think there's a strong

1588
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:35,840
evidence for that I do aliens are not

1589
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,360
involved though I think on this

1590
01:15:44,270 --> 01:15:41,760
representation of what's going on so

1591
01:15:46,940 --> 01:15:44,280
it's kind of in an ideal setting you'd

1592
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:46,950
like to see someone like Kelleher and

1593
01:15:59,300 --> 01:15:56,120
everybody yeah talk to each other not

1594
01:16:01,880 --> 01:15:59,310
argue right but just this dust rash to

1595
01:16:03,950 --> 01:16:01,890
leave this problem because I think all

1596
01:16:06,650 --> 01:16:03,960
of us have points and you know we have

1597
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,660
to respect our critics we've got more to

1598
01:16:11,540 --> 01:16:08,640
come with Rick okay

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Jeanne and Randall you're in the para

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abductions and the freshman hasn't seen

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what we've talked about there you might

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find it interesting

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Richard Bunn infante and she ran with

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Murphy and Jean Steinberg that we

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continue and we're just framing

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different aspects of the problem let's

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try to wrap it up on mutilations to this

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segment because I want to go to the NDE

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I think that's a really great attitude

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Richard and I'm sure it's when that

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Chris would definitely go for if the

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rest of the people in the research

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community on this could all pull

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together in fact I don't know would even

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be possible to pull off some sort of a

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you know a grand meeting between all of

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these people yeah just just to to get it

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all that on the table and do exactly

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what you're saying have a constructive

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argument or debate or comparison of the

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facts and get some attention on it so

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01:21:52,460 --> 01:21:49,140
that real scientists can take it

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01:21:55,070 --> 01:21:52,470
seriously as well I agree with that

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01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:55,080
under respond and I think he can't be

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01:21:59,810 --> 01:21:57,090
done all that once it has to be it has

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01:22:02,480 --> 01:21:59,820
to started with two people with opposing

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01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:02,490
views talking it over rationally and

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01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:04,680
then it has to be joined by people who

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01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:06,000
are more specialists who could

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01:22:10,610 --> 01:22:08,370
contribute to the argument giving their

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01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:10,620
points of view as well and then working

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01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:12,780
on some sort of consensus is where all

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:16,130
of them agree and I think that just like

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01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:19,050
negotiating a treaty or some political

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01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:22,170
questions you know I think that we have

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01:22:29,180 --> 01:22:26,690
a tendency to adhere to our internal law

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01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:29,190
prejudice those without realizing your

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prejudices and we have to break away

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01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:35,450
from that and we have to find a way to

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01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:39,810
respect the fact the statistics and the

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hard research that's coming out in the

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01:22:49,310 --> 01:22:45,920
professional literature and abide by

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01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:49,320
what the professional findings are and

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01:22:55,340 --> 01:22:52,370
try to work our understanding into that

1754
01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,350
everyone are going off on a tangent and

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01:23:00,169 --> 01:22:58,080
with hypotheses that may lead nowhere

1756
01:23:04,130 --> 01:23:00,179
that's a really healthy out

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01:23:06,740 --> 01:23:04,140
- in your look at all of this work what

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01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:06,750
would you say is some of the best

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01:23:11,930 --> 01:23:08,850
professional and amatuer work done on

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01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:11,940
the subject that you can think of well

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01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:14,699
you know I think a lot of the best work

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01:23:20,660 --> 01:23:17,460
is really being done by amateurs because

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01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:20,670
in the professional community they kind

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of avoid controversy because of problems

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01:23:29,930 --> 01:23:27,420
with status and and respect and and

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01:23:32,630 --> 01:23:29,940
their positions of authority

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01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:32,640
I think they don't really tackle the

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really serious problems unless it is so

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:38,640
specific that they kind of protected by

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01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:40,770
the specificity of what they're doing

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01:23:44,660 --> 01:23:42,900
that's really interesting we've got

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01:23:46,669 --> 01:23:44,670
another question for in our forum for

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01:23:50,300 --> 01:23:46,679
you here it has to do exactly with that

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01:23:54,620 --> 01:23:50,310
it's from a forum poster named without

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01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:54,630
limits 9 and he's asking he's curious to

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01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:56,760
know if your research has been frowned

1777
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:01,440
upon by more mainstream schools like UF

1778
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:03,810
and Santa Fe you know have you run into

1779
01:24:08,030 --> 01:24:06,150
any kind of professional criticism

1780
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,040
yourself for your involvement in this

1781
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:11,280
type of work well whoever asked the

1782
01:24:16,729 --> 01:24:14,250
question I'll have to tell them that

1783
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:16,739
I've pretty much waited until I retired

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01:24:24,919 --> 01:24:19,170
before I delve into these things when I

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01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:24,929
was a find out I was trying to find out

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01:24:29,419 --> 01:24:27,330
what caused what the effects of mine

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01:24:33,140 --> 01:24:29,429
adverse effects were in the long run for

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01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:33,150
children and I I was pretty much

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01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:34,679
concerned that doing the best I could

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01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:38,100
with those problems and I didn't feel

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01:24:42,020 --> 01:24:40,110
that I would I thought I would

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01:24:43,970 --> 01:24:42,030
jeopardize my standing if I started

1793
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:43,980
talking about UFOs and aliens and

1794
01:24:47,660 --> 01:24:46,500
abductions when prions which I didn't

1795
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:47,670
know anything about it at the time

1796
01:24:52,669 --> 01:24:50,580
anyway but I think there's a reluctance

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01:24:54,290 --> 01:24:52,679
by people who are professionals to get

1798
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:54,300
involved with this because they taint

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01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:56,250
them and I don't know if you remember

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01:25:01,490 --> 01:24:59,250
john mack he was the harvard professor

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01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:01,500
of psychiatry

1802
01:25:07,820 --> 01:25:04,920
absolutely reprimanded because he was

1803
01:25:09,709 --> 01:25:07,830
studying alien abductions i think that a

1804
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:09,719
lot of my colleagues are afraid of that

1805
01:25:13,459 --> 01:25:12,330
and they'll only talk to me and private

1806
01:25:16,580 --> 01:25:13,469
about their therapy

1807
01:25:19,069 --> 01:25:16,590
a long talk and a public forum do they

1808
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:19,079
talk to him in private so so how many

1809
01:25:22,879 --> 01:25:20,729
people have you talked to in private

1810
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:22,889
cause who are professionals that have an

1811
01:25:29,989 --> 01:25:24,690
interest in this roughly would you say a

1812
01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:29,999
few dozen or go well let me see I would

1813
01:25:38,989 --> 01:25:33,239
say not even that many I would say

1814
01:25:40,879 --> 01:25:38,999
probably 12 oh that's a fair note and so

1815
01:25:43,549 --> 01:25:40,889
these are people who have credentials

1816
01:25:45,709 --> 01:25:43,559
and are seriously interested in it but

1817
01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:45,719
just don't want to get themselves

1818
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:47,369
involved in it on a professional level

1819
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:49,679
without of fear of their career yep

1820
01:25:54,350 --> 01:25:51,090
that's exactly right

1821
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:54,360
very interesting yeah but there is an

1822
01:25:58,879 --> 01:25:56,489
interest at the professional level that

1823
01:26:01,549 --> 01:25:58,889
is covert and the people who are doing a

1824
01:26:03,950 --> 01:26:01,559
lot of the real work are people who are

1825
01:26:08,270 --> 01:26:03,960
amateurs but who are dedicated by

1826
01:26:10,609 --> 01:26:08,280
curiosity and a like a a driving force

1827
01:26:13,100 --> 01:26:10,619
to seek the truth of what's happening

1828
01:26:15,049 --> 01:26:13,110
not not what they want to be the truth

1829
01:26:17,089 --> 01:26:15,059
but what actually is the truth

1830
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:17,099
so there are two speakers who are not

1831
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:18,840
professionals that are dedicating

1832
01:26:24,739 --> 01:26:20,610
themselves to trying to find out what's

1833
01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:24,749
going on now I wonder at what level do

1834
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:28,170
our people in the civilian sector who

1835
01:26:32,899 --> 01:26:30,570
have the labs to scientific labs who are

1836
01:26:35,509 --> 01:26:32,909
doing the animal testing for example and

1837
01:26:37,399 --> 01:26:35,519
are actually slicing off these slim

1838
01:26:39,859 --> 01:26:37,409
slices of brain material and doing the

1839
01:26:41,899 --> 01:26:39,869
high-tech work in the sterilized

1840
01:26:44,299 --> 01:26:41,909
environment that's required that's

1841
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:44,309
getting up there in the system quite

1842
01:26:50,750 --> 01:26:47,610
high I wonder how far above them we have

1843
01:26:52,910 --> 01:26:50,760
to go before we get into this Aldous

1844
01:26:55,759 --> 01:26:52,920
clandestine stuff with black helicopters

1845
01:26:59,719 --> 01:26:55,769
and aliens if have you found any sort of

1846
01:27:04,279 --> 01:26:59,729
link to link the chain down or upwards

1847
01:27:08,330 --> 01:27:04,289
in any of those directions well I think

1848
01:27:12,529 --> 01:27:08,340
a lot of technicians and scientists are

1849
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:12,539
just dedicated to finding out the truth

1850
01:27:19,009 --> 01:27:16,050
in their particular search for a cure of

1851
01:27:22,879 --> 01:27:19,019
the disease or with causing a disease or

1852
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:22,889
I think those are very dedicated people

1853
01:27:26,630 --> 01:27:25,380
but they're not concerned about the end

1854
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:26,640
result so they're fine

1855
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:29,290
you have to go a couple steps higher

1856
01:27:39,210 --> 01:27:34,750
into the political and economic levels

1857
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:39,220
of concern before you get a centrist

1858
01:27:45,630 --> 01:27:42,910
ship of the findings or or taking

1859
01:27:47,850 --> 01:27:45,640
findings that are meant to the one

1860
01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:47,860
purpose and converting them for another

1861
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,660
purpose for example weaponizing

1862
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:52,000
something that's been discovered that

1863
01:27:57,330 --> 01:27:54,130
could be useful for the military or even

1864
01:28:00,090 --> 01:27:57,340
in bio warfare you know maybe

1865
01:28:01,710 --> 01:28:00,100
weaponizing prions I don't know but it

1866
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:01,720
seems like the scientists who are

1867
01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:03,850
devoted to the science they're doing

1868
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:06,640
their job but it's the next level the

1869
01:28:12,210 --> 01:28:10,390
one who who kind of orchestrate the

1870
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:12,220
findings that the economic and political

1871
01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:15,610
level that are the culprits and in this

1872
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:18,040
process interesting where we know bio

1873
01:28:29,250 --> 01:28:20,680
warfare has been banned so far as we

1874
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:29,260
know so you know it's yeah I mean I

1875
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:31,210
imagine that if somebody might say well

1876
01:28:33,930 --> 01:28:32,890
look what if somebody did they'll obsess

1877
01:28:36,810 --> 01:28:33,940
what do we do about it

1878
01:28:38,460 --> 01:28:36,820
and where are we going to take our

1879
01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:38,470
sampling from but wouldn't you think it

1880
01:28:43,170 --> 01:28:41,380
would be easier for our own people in

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say in the Department of Defense some

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covert lab that's dealing with this to

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simply have their own ranch and to grow

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their own cattle why would they need to

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go out and and you know abduct other

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people's cattle and then drop them by

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their doorway you think if they'd want

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to do it covertly that's the last the

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last way they'd go about it so what's

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going on with that I can't give you a

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good answer to that question but I do

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have an observation I think that the

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covert part that's been taking place by

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you to the military or or the high

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high-end health organizations is trying

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to discover what the aliens are doing

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and why they're doing it

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more so than actually learning an

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independent type of research on on the

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study of prions I think prions are being

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studied in universities

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and there's a lot of working done

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leading to Nobel Prizes but I think that

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is like sporadic and and keeps me on but

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I think that the corporate operations

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are something that's highly organized

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for example taking place all over the

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world Rick what's your example our next

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segment will persist with this answer in

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our next segment that I really want to

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jump into near-death experiences with

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gene Randall and Rick you're in the para

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radio so Rick let's finish this answer

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and maybe go to the question of whether

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there's any hope we'll solve any of this

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01:35:04,399 --> 01:35:01,590
and then we'll move on go ahead please

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01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:04,409
I think I was saying that well actually

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I don't know what I think but I you're

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talking about the various levels your RC

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and so on where where this work is being

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01:35:18,290 --> 01:35:15,270
done and you're suggesting that what's

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01:35:21,500 --> 01:35:18,300
going on on the covert end is that we've

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01:35:23,950 --> 01:35:21,510
gods say something from the DoD going

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01:35:27,020 --> 01:35:23,960
out and chasing after incidents where

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01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:27,030
alien involvement has taken place in

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order to try and figure out what they're

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01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:31,679
doing so what do you think then I guess

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01:35:36,379 --> 01:35:34,050
to close this out what are the aliens

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01:35:39,919 --> 01:35:36,389
doing when they take a cow and stick it

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01:35:42,890 --> 01:35:39,929
in some lab of their own and are drawing

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01:35:45,729 --> 01:35:42,900
fluid out of it I mean are they using it

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01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:45,739
to try and figure it out to help us or -

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01:35:50,959 --> 01:35:48,570
are they feeding it back to us to try -

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01:35:53,899 --> 01:35:50,969
is it is this some sort of bio warfare

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01:35:55,459 --> 01:35:53,909
or are they just or could they just care

2041
01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:55,469
less and they're just studying at the

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01:36:00,799 --> 01:35:58,500
same as we are no no I think they have

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01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:00,809
the best of interest and this problem

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01:36:05,750 --> 01:36:02,730
and I think if they have to do a

2045
01:36:09,399 --> 01:36:05,760
contamination I think probably earth is

2046
01:36:13,129 --> 01:36:09,409
a purlin on planet and then maybe were

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01:36:16,430 --> 01:36:13,139
earth-like - they're rare and they are

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01:36:19,609 --> 01:36:16,440
concerned this type of infection or

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01:36:22,399 --> 01:36:19,619
disease could ruin the biosphere of the

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01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:22,409
planet or it has something to do with

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01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:24,090
their own interest but they're not doing

2052
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,730
it to harm us I don't think I think

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01:36:31,069 --> 01:36:28,320
they're just doing it because they have

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01:36:33,529 --> 01:36:31,079
interest and an investment perhaps I

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01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:33,539
feel it's more something like that I

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01:36:38,060 --> 01:36:35,460
don't think they're trying to to do

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01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:38,070
anything you know I think they're just

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trying to protect their investment with

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tortoise because I don't know so we have

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an investment in in cattle and they have

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an investment in us

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so there we are again we don't own it

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we've moved down once again in the food

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chain though the very interesting

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01:37:00,290 --> 01:36:57,900
hypothesis so maybe we should move on

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01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:00,300
and gene you were wanting to talk a bit

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about near-death experiences how about

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01:37:10,490 --> 01:37:06,710
we carry on then and in addition to the

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cattle mutilation mystery you've done

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some work and some looking into the

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whole phenomena of near-death

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experiences can you tell us a bit about

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that well I think anybody who has a

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brain should be curious about these

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episodes because they're well documented

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01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:27,840
and they've been around for quite a

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while and near-death experience has

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occurred not only near death but they

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01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:34,680
can occur spontaneously without the

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01:37:41,300 --> 01:37:39,210
threat of death being present and of

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01:37:43,370 --> 01:37:41,310
course each near-death experience is

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unique they have common features but

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01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:47,520
they can be mostly unique and what is

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going on is currently under a paradigm

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that the brain is the is the vault of

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memory and of a feeling and thought and

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experience that and in other words that

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that neurons or chains of neurons link

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link us to memories and recall and

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knowledge and understanding everything

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01:38:22,670 --> 01:38:19,440
that's a higher function for example the

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01:38:24,500 --> 01:38:22,680
people who died and who experienced

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01:38:25,850 --> 01:38:24,510
clinical death where their heart has

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01:38:29,540 --> 01:38:25,860
been beating and there's no brain

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01:38:32,750 --> 01:38:29,550
activity and our resuscitated they come

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01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:32,760
back and they report experiences which

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01:38:38,780 --> 01:38:36,570
their brain couldn't have been doing

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01:38:42,440 --> 01:38:38,790
because it was not active there was no

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01:38:44,959 --> 01:38:42,450
no neuronal transmission of signals in

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01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:44,969
different parts of the brain okay and

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01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:47,850
just to be clear when you're saying that

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says when there is there was no fear of

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death we're not saying that that these

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people didn't die we were just saying

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01:38:59,729 --> 01:38:57,239
that they weren't afraid of dying but

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that's what I think that's the byproduct

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01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:05,600
of an After Effects the experience

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because a lot of people are fearful of

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death but once they have a near-death

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01:39:14,590 --> 01:39:13,070
experience and whether they're

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clinically dead or not

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01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:18,410
they they see an alternate an alternate

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01:39:24,729 --> 01:39:21,860
the reality they seem to lose their fear

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because their consciousness convinces

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01:39:28,060 --> 01:39:26,510
them that they're still the same person

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01:39:30,700 --> 01:39:28,070
and everything but they're in an

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01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:30,710
alternate reality and it's not like

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01:39:35,500 --> 01:39:33,650
everything just goes flat and your

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01:39:39,790 --> 01:39:35,510
memory and your existence just goes

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01:39:43,209 --> 01:39:39,800
black it it kind of reaffirms that

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01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:43,219
there's the something higher than what

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01:39:48,189 --> 01:39:46,010
we consider brain consciousness now or

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01:39:49,930 --> 01:39:48,199
organic consciousness so I in the

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ointment folks I mean throw the fly in

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01:39:57,340 --> 01:39:53,239
the ointment okay we ran an article from

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a blogger named Miguel and he's known as

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ready to pill junkies of gentleman from

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Mexico is also a pretty terrific artist

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01:40:09,490 --> 01:40:07,010
he does bogus he did a great cartoon of

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me for the show and he wrote a long

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01:40:15,850 --> 01:40:12,380
piece in our newsletter suggesting here

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01:40:20,770 --> 01:40:15,860
that near-death experiences and UFO

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01:40:24,490 --> 01:40:20,780
abductions are exceedingly similar in

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01:40:28,750 --> 01:40:24,500
many ways have you heard that I believe

2135
01:40:31,150 --> 01:40:28,760
that I study those I think there's a lot

2136
01:40:34,330 --> 01:40:31,160
of parallel for example did you know

2137
01:40:38,830 --> 01:40:34,340
that both near-death experiencers and

2138
01:40:42,330 --> 01:40:38,840
people who have abducted have like a

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01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:42,340
negative electromagnetic influence on

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01:40:47,050 --> 01:40:45,520
sensitive instrumentation around them

2141
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:47,060
for example

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01:40:53,050 --> 01:40:49,610
ulis watch won't work anymore well it

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01:40:56,010 --> 01:40:53,060
works very slow or when you pass by a TV

2144
01:40:58,900 --> 01:40:56,020
it clicked on or when you go buy a lamp

2145
01:41:01,050 --> 01:40:58,910
go on or off depending upon this state

2146
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:01,060
let me just ask you about the watches

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01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:03,170
okay we obviously have different kinds

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01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:05,690
of watches we have mechanical watches we

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have quartz watches we have Apple

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01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:10,340
watches which is by the way the

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best-selling watch in the world

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01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:14,510
now does it affect all of them were just

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the old-fashioned kind well I don't know

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01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:20,480
about Apple watches because they're

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pretty recent but I had someone who I

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was I gave a lecture and he came to me

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later on at a different time where I

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worked and he gave me a paper bag full

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01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:38,120
of about 12 or 13 watches and he says

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01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:40,490
some of these work and some don't but

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01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:42,320
ever since I bought them they don't work

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01:41:47,170 --> 01:41:43,510
on me

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01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:47,180
so I'm really referring to more the

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01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:52,130
battery-operated watches as the examples

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but and I intended for today so you know

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01:42:03,400 --> 01:41:57,890
the ones but those batteries not the

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01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:03,410
wind-up ones but the electronic one and

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01:42:09,190 --> 01:42:06,130
were you making a Barisan here betweens

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01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:09,200
electronics being affected by people who

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01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:10,310
have had an NDE

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01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:14,090
and a UFO experience we're safe those

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01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:17,330
cars are videos of guns have stopped

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01:42:25,150 --> 01:42:20,810
that type of thing oh well I wouldn't

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say that because one woman who had an

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01:42:30,370 --> 01:42:28,280
abduction experience where she she woke

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01:42:33,310 --> 01:42:30,380
up and she found this creature sitting

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01:42:36,850 --> 01:42:33,320
on her chest like the caning nightmare

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01:42:39,790 --> 01:42:36,860
and I think is the 17th century 18th

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01:42:43,570 --> 01:42:39,800
century panic she compared it to that

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and after that experience and a couple

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01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:46,670
other experiences so most of that she

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walked by her printer and her printer

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01:42:54,790 --> 01:42:52,310
was not plugged into the electrical

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01:42:58,300 --> 01:42:54,800
outlet and the printer started to run by

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01:43:03,550 --> 01:42:58,310
itself so that's pretty fantastic if you

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01:43:07,060 --> 01:43:03,560
think about it and I had a director who

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was also a doctor who was actually my

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01:43:13,630 --> 01:43:11,270
boss and she couldn't use her computer

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01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:13,640
because she couldn't control her mouth

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01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:18,890
and and not only that but she kept

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having to replace her memory board and

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her

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operating system because they just

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wouldn't work anymore

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01:43:34,450 --> 01:43:31,460
so these are all effects that seem to

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come from the person to the object which

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01:43:39,970 --> 01:43:37,820
which is dysfunctional and that occurs

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01:43:46,530 --> 01:43:39,980
both in people who had near-death

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01:43:52,570 --> 01:43:50,050
encounters with aliens okay so we go

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01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:52,580
back to the core question here if they

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01:43:58,360 --> 01:43:55,280
are so similar and we assume or we

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01:44:02,830 --> 01:43:58,370
gather that UFO abductions are supposed

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01:44:06,670 --> 01:44:02,840
to be actual aliens physically capturing

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01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:06,680
people performing medical tests on them

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01:44:13,690 --> 01:44:10,100
etc etc and near-death experiences occur

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01:44:15,810 --> 01:44:13,700
where the body is very briefly dead and

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01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:15,820
then it's brought back to life

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01:44:21,910 --> 01:44:18,830
after a few minutes and we're saying

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these things even though they supposedly

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01:44:27,730 --> 01:44:24,470
on the surface have totally totally

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01:44:32,050 --> 01:44:27,740
different causes physical right testing

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01:44:35,680 --> 01:44:32,060
by being smothered planets and briefly

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01:44:37,390 --> 01:44:35,690
being dead at the end of the day they're

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01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:37,400
almost the same if they're almost the

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01:44:40,540 --> 01:44:37,730
same

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01:44:41,290 --> 01:44:40,550
then perhaps here we can get into the

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01:44:47,550 --> 01:44:41,300
can of worms

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01:44:50,080 --> 01:44:47,560
perhaps here it's not et at work and the

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01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:50,090
clinical death puts you into an

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01:44:55,180 --> 01:44:52,850
alternate state of consciousness that's

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01:44:58,510 --> 01:44:55,190
getting the more of this with Rick Geena

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and Randall you're in the para cast

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these exclusive para cast things that

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you can buy

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we've got like I guess 60 or so

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different items and entails t-shirts

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sleeves for notebook computers iPad

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tote bag all sorts of t-shirts and

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jackets and stuff like that for men and

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women we have a para cast aluminum water

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bottle all the stuff you go to store dot

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official logo on them that's what makes

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them special multiple sizes and colors

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we even have stuff for children stuff

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for women's stuff for men we have all

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sorts of sizes like small up 2x large a

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lot good stuff that's the swag from the

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are things many of us take for granted

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but for many adults with disabilities

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who are elderly or have serious medical

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issues dental care is simply

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unaffordable dental lifeline network is

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to volunteer to just see one of the many

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convenience we handle the details so you

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can focus on the care lack of dental

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life-saving surgery eat or contribute to

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community today welcome back to the para

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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:43,090
radio and now here's Jane Steinberg so

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01:47:48,300 --> 01:47:46,210
Richard what do we make of this well I

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01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:48,310
think we're chasing the wrong horse I

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01:47:54,450 --> 01:47:51,130
think that the common denominator is

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01:47:56,580 --> 01:47:54,460
trauma I think it's the trauma of death

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01:47:58,170 --> 01:47:56,590
or the trauma or the realization that

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01:48:00,120 --> 01:47:58,180
there you are dealing with something

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01:48:02,430 --> 01:48:00,130
beyond your understanding

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01:48:06,600 --> 01:48:02,440
that it triggers this so whether the

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01:48:10,200 --> 01:48:06,610
alien abduction or an ER or a near-death

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01:48:13,530 --> 01:48:10,210
event like falling from a high place or

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01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:13,540
something both involved psychological or

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01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:16,150
some sort of trauma and I think trauma

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01:48:21,450 --> 01:48:20,530
is what make the Cork's here in our

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01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:21,460
lives

2286
01:48:26,670 --> 01:48:23,320
I don't know these unexplainable things

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01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:26,680
in both cases of near-death experiences

2288
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:29,730
and alien abductions people sometimes a

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01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:32,560
develop psychic abilities which they

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01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:34,510
didn't have or they didn't realize they

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01:48:41,729 --> 01:48:38,170
had before and there are several other

2292
01:48:44,310 --> 01:48:41,739
parallels as well that link these these

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01:48:47,490 --> 01:48:44,320
events together but I believe myself

2294
01:48:49,410 --> 01:48:47,500
that it's not the experience because

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01:48:51,390 --> 01:48:49,420
your desk experience occur to people who

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01:48:53,580 --> 01:48:51,400
are not near-death as well but I don't

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01:48:56,790 --> 01:48:53,590
think it's that it's some sort of trauma

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01:48:59,310 --> 01:48:56,800
in the realization that things aren't

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01:49:01,410 --> 01:48:59,320
what they seem to be when you're talking

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01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:01,420
about near-death experiences that happen

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01:49:04,830 --> 01:49:03,370
to people who aren't near death aren't

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01:49:07,260 --> 01:49:04,840
we referring there more to have an

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01:49:11,970 --> 01:49:07,270
out-of-body experience that's what I

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01:49:15,140 --> 01:49:11,980
would call a psychic after effect some

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01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:15,150
people can do you know that will have

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01:49:20,700 --> 01:49:17,530
out-of-body experience but some people

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01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:20,710
can do remote viewing but what I'm

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01:49:25,260 --> 01:49:23,199
saying is after a people somebody

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01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:25,270
experienced was the traumatic event that

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01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,150
ability may be manifest more manifest

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01:49:34,899 --> 01:49:32,000
the increased somehow so that they're

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01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,909
more cognizant of it and more able to

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01:49:39,070 --> 01:49:37,040
use that have more control okay I think

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01:49:40,660 --> 01:49:39,080
I see what you're saying there I recall

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01:49:43,689 --> 01:49:40,670
a story actually I think this was one of

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01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:43,699
our foreign people related to us who was

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01:49:47,709 --> 01:49:45,020
in a car accident

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01:49:50,290 --> 01:49:47,719
and went into a state where he was

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01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:50,300
looking down on the whole scene

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01:49:54,640 --> 01:49:53,150
it wasn't my impression that he was near

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01:49:57,790 --> 01:49:54,650
death at the time but the whole thing

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01:49:59,860 --> 01:49:57,800
was very traumatic as you say there's

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01:50:01,510 --> 01:49:59,870
other things too I should point out you

2324
01:50:03,459 --> 01:50:01,520
know people who have near-death

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01:50:06,700 --> 01:50:03,469
experience they come back with very

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01:50:08,140 --> 01:50:06,710
difficult areas that is experiences

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01:50:10,570 --> 01:50:08,150
where they couldn't have known something

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01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:10,580
but during their near-death experience

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01:50:15,790 --> 01:50:12,800
they learn something which later turned

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01:50:17,979 --> 01:50:15,800
out to be true and that is very

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01:50:20,530 --> 01:50:17,989
convincing to the person who has that

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01:50:22,060 --> 01:50:20,540
event happened to them that the

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01:50:26,140 --> 01:50:22,070
near-death experience was something

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01:50:29,860 --> 01:50:26,150
extraordinary for example sometimes

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01:50:31,950 --> 01:50:29,870
people come back with like with visions

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01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:31,960
of things that are about to happen and

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01:50:38,380 --> 01:50:35,570
they happen and they're recorded after

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01:50:40,209 --> 01:50:38,390
than your death experiences and and at

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01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:40,219
some point a month or two later they

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01:50:43,959 --> 01:50:42,770
happen just as they were seen by the

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01:50:46,209 --> 01:50:43,969
people who have been near death

2342
01:50:50,130 --> 01:50:46,219
experience some sort of a premature II

2343
01:50:53,500 --> 01:50:50,140
yeah yeah it developed a premonition

2344
01:50:56,070 --> 01:50:53,510
right interesting some people who had

2345
01:50:58,930 --> 01:50:56,080
these experiences either one of them

2346
01:51:00,459 --> 01:50:58,940
develop the ability is the auras around

2347
01:51:02,410 --> 01:51:00,469
people and they can tell their moods

2348
01:51:04,209 --> 01:51:02,420
just by the color of their auras and

2349
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,219
that something that they never

2350
01:51:09,399 --> 01:51:06,320
experienced before or saw before and

2351
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:09,409
they they can't explain it but they seem

2352
01:51:15,130 --> 01:51:11,330
to have it what I was doing in my

2353
01:51:17,110 --> 01:51:15,140
dissertation my PhD dissertation was

2354
01:51:19,030 --> 01:51:17,120
trying to determine if these were

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01:51:22,060 --> 01:51:19,040
temporary changes or long lasting

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01:51:23,890 --> 01:51:22,070
changes so I studied the after-effects

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01:51:25,780 --> 01:51:23,900
to see if they would go away or

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01:51:27,790 --> 01:51:25,790
disappear or whether they were a

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01:51:30,189 --> 01:51:27,800
permanent there's more on the permanent

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01:51:32,350 --> 01:51:30,199
by but not completely permanent there's

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01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:32,360
some reduction and them but they they

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01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:35,360
think the last for years and decades a

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01:51:39,310 --> 01:51:37,730
lot a long long time so you're saying

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01:51:42,930 --> 01:51:39,320
that someone who's developed the ability

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01:51:46,860 --> 01:51:45,270
they retained that ability and make it

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01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:46,870
so that every time you look at someone

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01:51:52,590 --> 01:51:49,500
they can actually see the person Zahra

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01:51:54,780 --> 01:51:52,600
yeah what they also say though is

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01:51:58,140 --> 01:51:54,790
sometimes they can control it and

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01:52:01,620 --> 01:51:58,150
sometimes they can't so it may be the

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01:52:04,650 --> 01:52:01,630
case where they frequently see auras

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01:52:07,140 --> 01:52:04,660
around people but not always or not when

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01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:07,150
they want to but more frequently they do

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01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:11,590
and they can tie the color of the shade

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01:52:17,220 --> 01:52:14,560
of the r2 of the person's mental health

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01:52:21,390 --> 01:52:17,230
or state of emotional excitement there's

2377
01:52:23,130 --> 01:52:21,400
nothing like that right now our

2378
01:52:24,780 --> 01:52:23,140
listeners and our forum people they know

2379
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:24,790
I'm pretty skeptical when it comes to

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01:52:31,290 --> 01:52:27,010
all of this stuff but I want to say

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01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:31,300
right now that once upon a time I saw my

2382
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:33,730
best friend at the Times ARRA

2383
01:52:38,610 --> 01:52:35,470
we were just sitting in a room together

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01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:38,620
and I just happened to glance over at

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01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:40,660
him just the right way the room was kind

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01:52:46,680 --> 01:52:43,840
of dim and it was like there he was he

2387
01:52:49,770 --> 01:52:46,690
was glowing with this incredible light

2388
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:49,780
that is can only be described as an aura

2389
01:52:54,600 --> 01:52:52,570
it was the one and only time I've ever

2390
01:52:57,000 --> 01:52:54,610
had that experience I've never been able

2391
01:52:59,130 --> 01:52:57,010
to duplicate it or repeat it again and

2392
01:53:00,450 --> 01:52:59,140
he thought I was nuts at the time he

2393
01:53:03,060 --> 01:53:00,460
looked at me like he thought I was crazy

2394
01:53:04,890 --> 01:53:03,070
and you know just making something up

2395
01:53:07,740 --> 01:53:04,900
but some years later the same thing

2396
01:53:09,870 --> 01:53:07,750
happened to him with his girlfriend when

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01:53:12,690 --> 01:53:09,880
they were out on a hike I believe he

2398
01:53:14,430 --> 01:53:12,700
said so he actually got in touch with me

2399
01:53:17,100 --> 01:53:14,440
and he said you know I thought you were

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01:53:20,330 --> 01:53:17,110
nuts at the time but when it happened to

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01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:20,340
me I know you're not anecdotal

2402
01:53:24,660 --> 01:53:22,540
verification that these things exist

2403
01:53:27,690 --> 01:53:24,670
like out-of-body experiences and seeing

2404
01:53:29,430 --> 01:53:27,700
auras and being able to heal you don't

2405
01:53:31,770 --> 01:53:29,440
have control studies where you can

2406
01:53:34,140 --> 01:53:31,780
replicate it and do it at will but you

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01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:34,150
you people experienced it sporadically

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01:53:38,190 --> 01:53:35,650
throughout their lives

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01:53:40,410 --> 01:53:38,200
I think in they may be ours or it may be

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01:53:42,390 --> 01:53:40,420
something else but we do experience they

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01:53:44,340 --> 01:53:42,400
do ask anybody in the nursing home you

2412
01:53:46,260 --> 01:53:44,350
know about the strangest things that

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01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:46,270
happen to them you you'll get a long

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01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:48,490
litany of things that are unexplainable

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01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,040
I imagine now have you heard of a

2416
01:53:56,010 --> 01:53:53,920
researcher called Persinger yes yeah I

2417
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:56,020
guessed he stimulates the

2418
01:54:02,160 --> 01:53:59,440
Loeb with electromagnetic pulses to

2419
01:54:04,020 --> 01:54:02,170
emulate near-death experiences an

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01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:04,030
altered state of consciousness was that

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01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,970
right right actually you're completely

2422
01:54:10,380 --> 01:54:08,560
correct that's Michael Persinger he's

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01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:10,390
Canadian and he's got the thing called

2424
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:12,730
the god helmet it's nicknamed and he's

2425
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:15,130
been able to replicate these experiences

2426
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:17,890
with this using exactly the process that

2427
01:54:23,820 --> 01:54:20,650
you've described so I find it really

2428
01:54:25,620 --> 01:54:23,830
interesting in that if it can be done

2429
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,630
empirically like this you were saying

2430
01:54:30,540 --> 01:54:27,760
well you know we can't seem to do it on

2431
01:54:32,130 --> 01:54:30,550
command but he can with this particular

2432
01:54:36,150 --> 01:54:32,140
device and and that seems to lend

2433
01:54:38,610 --> 01:54:36,160
credence to the theory that it is an

2434
01:54:42,180 --> 01:54:38,620
electromagnetic phenomena in the brain

2435
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:42,190
that is responsible for the emergence of

2436
01:54:48,630 --> 01:54:45,610
this sort of perceptual experience well

2437
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:48,640
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to take issue

2438
01:54:54,090 --> 01:54:50,890
with you not because I find any fun in

2439
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:54,100
it but I had a patient who I presented

2440
01:54:59,490 --> 01:54:57,010
through the Albany brain trauma

2441
01:55:03,720 --> 01:54:59,500
conference the annual brain conference

2442
01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:03,730
who had a brain cancer Persinger seems

2443
01:55:10,170 --> 01:55:06,070
to focus on the right temporal lobe and

2444
01:55:11,220 --> 01:55:10,180
this individual had multiple near-death

2445
01:55:13,470 --> 01:55:11,230
experiences

2446
01:55:16,140 --> 01:55:13,480
with the absence of the right temporal

2447
01:55:19,650 --> 01:55:16,150
lobe they had removed it so I don't

2448
01:55:22,830 --> 01:55:19,660
think I can actually support that

2449
01:55:25,410 --> 01:55:22,840
argument the other thing that I'm aware

2450
01:55:27,990 --> 01:55:25,420
of is some people who had actual

2451
01:55:30,480 --> 01:55:28,000
near-death experiences have put on the

2452
01:55:32,670 --> 01:55:30,490
helmet and they say the experience is

2453
01:55:35,610 --> 01:55:32,680
similar but not the same as their

2454
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,620
near-death experience sure of course now

2455
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:37,840
we're finding that the brain tends to

2456
01:55:43,470 --> 01:55:40,570
share a lot of its processing throughout

2457
01:55:45,780 --> 01:55:43,480
the brain in a much more yet non

2458
01:55:47,850 --> 01:55:45,790
regionalize manner we could still be

2459
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:47,860
talking about the same sort of phenomena

2460
01:55:53,190 --> 01:55:49,930
but not as say isolated to any

2461
01:55:55,170 --> 01:55:53,200
particular lobe or another really you've

2462
01:56:01,160 --> 01:55:55,180
probably heard of the aware study then

2463
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:04,920
sure no problem this is a fairly large

2464
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:08,650
scale study by the people the

2465
01:56:11,700 --> 01:56:09,350
internationalist

2466
01:56:14,500 --> 01:56:11,710
Association for near-death studies and

2467
01:56:16,570 --> 01:56:14,510
you can find it on their site and what

2468
01:56:19,570 --> 01:56:16,580
they did is they managed to get in to us

2469
01:56:23,230 --> 01:56:19,580
bunch of hospitals images that were put

2470
01:56:25,150 --> 01:56:23,240
up and above the patient's in operators

2471
01:56:26,770 --> 01:56:25,160
right yeah okay so you know what I'm

2472
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:26,780
talking about there right they had like

2473
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:30,050
numbers numbers up above an instruments

2474
01:56:33,970 --> 01:56:32,210
that couldn't be seen from the level of

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the patient and if it was truly

2476
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out-of-body he would be able to go up to

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the ceiling and see what number or what

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image was there on top of some

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instrument something like that right

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they had over 2,000 patients or 15

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hospitals and none of them came I went

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through that and were able to identify

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any of these images that were there

2484
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there was one patient that described a

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scene but unfortunately that room wasn't

2486
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please continue so so what we've got is

2597
02:01:48,230 --> 02:01:46,230
the situation where we've got a

2598
02:01:50,930 --> 02:01:48,240
controlled study done to try to

2599
02:01:53,450 --> 02:01:50,940
determine whether or not people are

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02:01:56,150 --> 02:01:53,460
seeing objective realities or some

2601
02:02:00,140 --> 02:01:56,160
subjective reality that has been

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02:02:03,650 --> 02:02:00,150
manufactured by some process that we

2603
02:02:07,280 --> 02:02:03,660
don't know about and entered into the

2604
02:02:09,860 --> 02:02:07,290
person's memory yes I understand and it

2605
02:02:11,480 --> 02:02:09,870
didn't really work out mystically it

2606
02:02:14,630 --> 02:02:11,490
didn't produce any results that were

2607
02:02:16,490 --> 02:02:14,640
positive I think right right and there's

2608
02:02:18,140 --> 02:02:16,500
that's not the only study there's been

2609
02:02:21,170 --> 02:02:18,150
more where they've done similar things

2610
02:02:23,510 --> 02:02:21,180
with specific phrases and words and none

2611
02:02:26,090 --> 02:02:23,520
of them have produced any definitive

2612
02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:26,100
results whatsoever they're always these

2613
02:02:31,910 --> 02:02:29,130
sort of anecdotal ones where there's no

2614
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:31,920
controlled environment for people to be

2615
02:02:37,610 --> 02:02:35,280
able to say with some sense of certainty

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02:02:40,030 --> 02:02:37,620
that there can be no mistaking what the

2617
02:02:43,820 --> 02:02:40,040
person saw I think we're talking about

2618
02:02:44,629 --> 02:02:43,830
dampening I think that you know lion

2619
02:02:47,089 --> 02:02:44,639
conducted

2620
02:02:49,310 --> 02:02:47,099
a lot of statistical tests on you know

2621
02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:49,320
these cards that have different shapes

2622
02:02:55,759 --> 02:02:52,169
on them and each a well-known psychics

2623
02:02:58,879 --> 02:02:55,769
and he put them to the test and even

2624
02:03:01,850 --> 02:02:58,889
though the psychics they had ability

2625
02:03:04,759 --> 02:03:01,860
they just didn't perform well on those

2626
02:03:07,639 --> 02:03:04,769
tests and they all both them that it was

2627
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:07,649
just too boring I don't know if that's

2628
02:03:15,409 --> 02:03:11,130
that excuse or not but I think that it's

2629
02:03:18,859 --> 02:03:15,419
very hard to control this ability

2630
02:03:21,919 --> 02:03:18,869
whatever it is this paranormal ability

2631
02:03:25,009 --> 02:03:21,929
through what we you know what we can

2632
02:03:27,830 --> 02:03:25,019
devise I think it's more like mercury it

2633
02:03:29,389 --> 02:03:27,840
just seems to split off and go off in

2634
02:03:31,969 --> 02:03:29,399
its own direction whenever you try to

2635
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:31,979
capture it sort of like the uncertainty

2636
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:34,320
visible if you don't try to measure it

2637
02:03:38,629 --> 02:03:37,050
it just won't happen you can't get the

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02:03:41,600 --> 02:03:38,639
measure and when you try to measure it

2639
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:41,610
all right but I mean really that that's

2640
02:03:48,109 --> 02:03:44,610
not a very very strong counterpoint when

2641
02:03:49,969 --> 02:03:48,119
you consider that in all cases virtually

2642
02:03:52,129 --> 02:03:49,979
a hundred percent of all of these cases

2643
02:03:53,319 --> 02:03:52,139
where people have claimed to have some

2644
02:03:57,379 --> 02:03:53,329
sort of a near-death experience

2645
02:03:59,359 --> 02:03:57,389
involving an out-of-body experience that

2646
02:04:01,969 --> 02:03:59,369
that is something that they've recalled

2647
02:04:04,370 --> 02:04:01,979
later after they've been resuscitated

2648
02:04:07,009 --> 02:04:04,380
and they're conscious and their brain is

2649
02:04:10,729 --> 02:04:07,019
working in other words we can't and it's

2650
02:04:12,979 --> 02:04:10,739
impossible to have an experience relayed

2651
02:04:15,469 --> 02:04:12,989
by somebody who's never come back or is

2652
02:04:17,179 --> 02:04:15,479
dead or doesn't have a brain in every

2653
02:04:20,270 --> 02:04:17,189
instance has been somebody with a brain

2654
02:04:21,889 --> 02:04:20,280
and the irresistible conclusion there is

2655
02:04:23,290 --> 02:04:21,899
that it does have something to do with

2656
02:04:28,969 --> 02:04:23,300
the brain but we just don't know what

2657
02:04:36,879 --> 02:04:28,979
well I think there's a new paradigm

2658
02:04:42,500 --> 02:04:40,520
looking this stuff same thing like every

2659
02:04:45,409 --> 02:04:42,510
single example he's come up with it and

2660
02:04:48,379 --> 02:04:45,419
I've dug and dug and dug same thing what

2661
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:48,389
we're dealing with at best is something

2662
02:04:54,649 --> 02:04:50,570
that is perceived to be a memory and

2663
02:04:57,290 --> 02:04:54,659
that memory is stored somewhere in that

2664
02:04:58,110 --> 02:04:57,300
person's brain at least the best that

2665
02:05:00,150 --> 02:04:58,120
neuroscience can

2666
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:00,160
tell us I suppose there's a theory that

2667
02:05:05,250 --> 02:05:03,040
memory is non-local but we don't really

2668
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:05,260
have any locality we don't really have

2669
02:05:10,110 --> 02:05:06,730
any evidence of that though

2670
02:05:13,560 --> 02:05:10,120
well I think that Penton Rommel and

2671
02:05:16,020 --> 02:05:13,570
Bruce Grayson and Peter Fenwick are all

2672
02:05:19,590 --> 02:05:16,030
working on the idea of a new paradigm

2673
02:05:22,650 --> 02:05:19,600
that the mind the mind is some sort of

2674
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:22,660
transducer that allows us to experience

2675
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:25,450
things and send it off into a different

2676
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:28,410
level of consciousness and re able to

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02:05:34,100 --> 02:05:31,450
retrieve things from some some level of

2678
02:05:37,230 --> 02:05:34,110
consciousness that we have no memory of

2679
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:37,240
perhaps like reincarnation experiences

2680
02:05:46,620 --> 02:05:42,010
but that the locust or the locality of

2681
02:05:49,680 --> 02:05:46,630
these experiences memories is the is not

2682
02:05:52,460 --> 02:05:49,690
the instrument not the radio but the

2683
02:05:56,220 --> 02:05:52,470
radio wave and that these things are

2684
02:05:58,560 --> 02:05:56,230
non-physical so it's non-local and it

2685
02:06:00,900 --> 02:05:58,570
doesn't exist in the brain a new

2686
02:06:03,390 --> 02:06:00,910
hypothesis was coming out to explain it

2687
02:06:06,630 --> 02:06:03,400
but I agree with you that it's

2688
02:06:10,650 --> 02:06:06,640
disheartening to have those experiment

2689
02:06:14,100 --> 02:06:10,660
and have negative result but I I would

2690
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:14,110
caution you not to drop the ball because

2691
02:06:19,190 --> 02:06:16,330
that didn't work that we just may not be

2692
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:19,200
approaching it the right way oh

2693
02:06:25,080 --> 02:06:21,490
certainly there's a mystery there

2694
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:25,090
because we're not sure how the brain can

2695
02:06:31,740 --> 02:06:28,810
come up with a memory of something when

2696
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:31,750
at the at the time it didn't it wasn't

2697
02:06:36,660 --> 02:06:33,730
functioning in the way that any

2698
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:36,670
neuroscientists would accept it except a

2699
02:06:41,370 --> 02:06:39,070
brain to be normally functioning so the

2700
02:06:44,370 --> 02:06:41,380
sort of the theories are that well when

2701
02:06:45,990 --> 02:06:44,380
the brain comes back to life of course

2702
02:06:48,480 --> 02:06:46,000
is going to be changes that take place

2703
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:48,490
during the time that the brain isn't

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02:06:54,120 --> 02:06:51,730
functioning and that those changes when

2705
02:06:56,130 --> 02:06:54,130
the brain is awakened again and goes

2706
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:56,140
back into functioning start to sort

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02:06:59,670 --> 02:06:57,760
themselves out and make the best of it

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02:07:02,640 --> 02:06:59,680
that they can and being such fabulous

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02:07:04,350 --> 02:07:02,650
pattern recognition machines that we are

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02:07:08,940 --> 02:07:04,360
start to make sense of it in whatever

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02:07:11,130 --> 02:07:08,950
way that it can and therefore these

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02:07:11,890 --> 02:07:11,140
images are created enough something like

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a dream

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02:07:16,149 --> 02:07:14,449
but they're put into our memory bank and

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02:07:18,610 --> 02:07:16,159
then they're recalled to something that

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02:07:22,120 --> 02:07:18,620
was believed to have happened while they

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02:07:24,790 --> 02:07:22,130
were actually brain dead but that wasn't

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02:07:29,260 --> 02:07:24,800
really the case well I would recommend

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02:07:31,390 --> 02:07:29,270
that you read a neuroscientist a point

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02:07:32,620 --> 02:07:31,400
of view of having experienced a

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02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:32,630
near-death experience

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02:07:39,939 --> 02:07:37,760
his name is eben Alexander he's the he's

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02:07:45,370 --> 02:07:39,949
a neuroscientist and I think he's right

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02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:45,380
now in Charlottesville Virginia and he's

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02:07:50,500 --> 02:07:47,690
doing work with Bruce Gleason and the

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02:07:53,470 --> 02:07:50,510
near-death people on a matter of

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02:07:56,189 --> 02:07:53,480
consciousness he was a person who was a

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02:07:59,140 --> 02:07:56,199
neuroscientist who performed these

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02:08:01,600 --> 02:07:59,150
surgeries on the brain he had a complete

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02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:01,610
biased on that favor then he experienced

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02:08:05,410 --> 02:08:03,440
in your death he had a near-death

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02:08:07,959 --> 02:08:05,420
experience where his brain became mush

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02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:07,969
and then they took months and months to

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reorganize but after his reorganization

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02:08:16,060 --> 02:08:14,390
he believes that there is an alternate

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02:08:18,490 --> 02:08:16,070
state of consciousness that were not

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02:08:23,110 --> 02:08:18,500
aware of right he's the proof of having

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02:08:25,540 --> 02:08:23,120
guy right and so yeah you know I find

2739
02:08:27,610 --> 02:08:25,550
this subject really interesting and I

2740
02:08:29,740 --> 02:08:27,620
would like to believe that there's

2741
02:08:31,840 --> 02:08:29,750
something out there that's like that

2742
02:08:34,110 --> 02:08:31,850
it's just that every time I look into

2743
02:08:37,540 --> 02:08:34,120
these people's claims there's always

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these the same factor that we can't

2745
02:08:42,280 --> 02:08:39,920
escape the fact that anyone who's come

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02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:42,290
back to tell us anything about that has

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02:08:46,570 --> 02:08:44,510
a brain and that whatever they're

2748
02:08:49,709 --> 02:08:46,580
telling us seems to be coming out of

2749
02:08:53,680 --> 02:08:49,719
their brain and you know we don't have

2750
02:08:56,590 --> 02:08:53,690
someone who is noncorporeal that can be

2751
02:08:58,660 --> 02:08:56,600
measured and heard by a group of

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02:09:01,180 --> 02:08:58,670
panelists who can interview them to say

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02:09:04,240 --> 02:09:01,190
well oh now you're a dead person what's

2754
02:09:06,850 --> 02:09:04,250
it like that just doesn't happen there's

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02:09:08,399 --> 02:09:06,860
there's really no credible evidence for

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02:09:11,140 --> 02:09:08,409
that whatsoever

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02:09:14,410 --> 02:09:11,150
there are people who have been brain

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02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:14,420
dead not two minutes but for 20 minutes

2759
02:09:22,780 --> 02:09:18,370
30 minutes half an hour and whose brain

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02:09:25,660 --> 02:09:22,790
when they resuscitated they they're able

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02:09:28,030 --> 02:09:25,670
to view and I

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02:09:30,010 --> 02:09:28,040
their brain and recalled experience

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02:09:33,700 --> 02:09:30,020
booth that happen to them while they

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were incapacitated Richard we got a move

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along here because we've got to do a

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break that little thing that happens on

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part two of that answer excuse me I

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missed the transition there a little bit

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02:14:54,540 --> 02:14:51,520
it's my turn fifty yes sir you're

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02:14:56,670 --> 02:14:54,550
providing some counterpoint to on the

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02:14:59,460 --> 02:14:56,680
whole evidence issue where people who

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have come back from operating theaters

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do relay experiences the seemed at the

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time to not be explainable and that that

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is considered as some sort of reasonable

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evidence that this event had taken place

2889
02:15:18,780 --> 02:15:16,210
as described yeah but no I'm thinking of

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02:15:20,940 --> 02:15:18,790
a woman named Pam something I can't

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02:15:24,690 --> 02:15:20,950
befall her last name who was undergoing

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brain surgery and apparently died during

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that surgery and she was laughter she

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was bestest resuscitated she gave a

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running account of what the doctors were

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doing at the time that they were

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operating on her and thought that she

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02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:42,580
was dead right there's possible mundane

2899
02:15:47,220 --> 02:15:45,490
explanations for that and you know one

2900
02:15:49,770 --> 02:15:47,230
of the things we do on the forums is we

2901
02:15:52,860 --> 02:15:49,780
have a lot of point in counterpoint and

2902
02:15:56,400 --> 02:15:52,870
we really try to get to the truth of the

2903
02:15:58,470 --> 02:15:56,410
matter on these situations and one of

2904
02:16:00,030 --> 02:15:58,480
the points I make when these things are

2905
02:16:01,650 --> 02:16:00,040
brought up is that when people go in to

2906
02:16:04,070 --> 02:16:01,660
have those kinds of operations they're

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02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:04,080
usually prepared for them ahead of time

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02:16:10,440 --> 02:16:06,550
it doesn't usually happen right on the

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02:16:13,620 --> 02:16:10,450
spot and even if it does there's a lot

2910
02:16:17,190 --> 02:16:13,630
of social and cultural knowledge about

2911
02:16:18,840 --> 02:16:17,200
this phenomena out there but in a normal

2912
02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:18,850
case if you're preparing for a brain

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surgery or some major surgery you're

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going to be into the hospital you're

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going to be seeing doctors you're going

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to be familiar with the environment

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02:16:30,660 --> 02:16:28,450
you're going to have your senses picking

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up a lot of things that are subconscious

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including images of people and sounds of

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people around you

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02:16:39,580 --> 02:16:36,829
during the time that you're there pre-op

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02:16:41,919 --> 02:16:39,590
and post-op before you're even conscious

2923
02:16:44,500 --> 02:16:41,929
again and so it's entirely possible that

2924
02:16:47,879 --> 02:16:44,510
given all of this conditioning that what

2925
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:47,889
happens is that a person has this

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02:16:53,439 --> 02:16:50,719
environment already in their mind and

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that when they go in and they die on the

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operating table

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something happens within their mind that

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is equivalent to a dream state

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organization of the neural pathways that

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when their brain wakes up again puts all

2933
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of that together and says I'm in a

2934
02:17:10,569 --> 02:17:09,229
hospital of all this has happened I know

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02:17:13,629 --> 02:17:10,579
that must have happened and then it

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02:17:16,709 --> 02:17:13,639
comes back to them in this visual type

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02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:16,719
of a cue that seems to be a lot more

2938
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reasonable from a cause-and-effect

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02:17:22,599 --> 02:17:20,840
perspective than sort of well this

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mystical thing that rises up out of the

2941
02:17:27,189 --> 02:17:24,859
body that nobody can explain

2942
02:17:31,000 --> 02:17:27,199
well my counterpoint to that is that

2943
02:17:33,040 --> 02:17:31,010
that's a plausible explanation but like

2944
02:17:34,839 --> 02:17:33,050
people who see you of those than people

2945
02:17:38,649 --> 02:17:34,849
who don't see you opposed if you've

2946
02:17:42,129 --> 02:17:38,659
experienced being a UFO you have an

2947
02:17:44,229 --> 02:17:42,139
opinion and somebody can say that it was

2948
02:17:46,540 --> 02:17:44,239
the planet Venus or it was a light

2949
02:17:48,939 --> 02:17:46,550
reflecting off the clouds there's

2950
02:17:51,639 --> 02:17:48,949
nothing like that and you having

2951
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:51,649
experienced it will not buy it but you

2952
02:17:56,349 --> 02:17:53,599
had the experience the person who's

2953
02:17:58,750 --> 02:17:56,359
trying to explain it didn't have the

2954
02:18:01,599 --> 02:17:58,760
experience and comes up with a plausible

2955
02:18:04,750 --> 02:18:01,609
explanation and that could be is true as

2956
02:18:07,209 --> 02:18:04,760
well but it's almost like if you've had

2957
02:18:08,949 --> 02:18:07,219
the experience you have one position if

2958
02:18:11,319 --> 02:18:08,959
you didn't have the experience do you

2959
02:18:13,739 --> 02:18:11,329
have a plausible explanation for it well

2960
02:18:17,049 --> 02:18:13,749
that's pretty fair i I do place a lot of

2961
02:18:20,410 --> 02:18:17,059
value in first-hand experience and as a

2962
02:18:24,009 --> 02:18:20,420
ufologist and someone who has seen a UFO

2963
02:18:25,809 --> 02:18:24,019
is I I can completely relate to where

2964
02:18:26,799 --> 02:18:25,819
you're coming from but then again we're

2965
02:18:29,259 --> 02:18:26,809
dealing with two kettles

2966
02:18:31,330 --> 02:18:29,269
different kettles of fish here yeah in

2967
02:18:34,839 --> 02:18:31,340
one situation we're dealing with people

2968
02:18:37,689 --> 02:18:34,849
who are normally normal functioning

2969
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:37,699
brains there they just happen to look up

2970
02:18:42,429 --> 02:18:39,920
and and they're perfectly functioning

2971
02:18:45,759 --> 02:18:42,439
normal sensory apparatus picks up a

2972
02:18:47,740 --> 02:18:45,769
stimuli that they interpret as some sort

2973
02:18:49,209 --> 02:18:47,750
of mysterious flying object

2974
02:18:52,780 --> 02:18:49,219
those actually do turn out to be

2975
02:18:54,850 --> 02:18:52,790
something mundane and when a person has

2976
02:18:57,790 --> 02:18:54,860
it explained to them they go oh okay

2977
02:18:59,890 --> 02:18:57,800
well that was the case so there's no

2978
02:19:02,410 --> 02:18:59,900
reason that that can't be the same sort

2979
02:19:03,459 --> 02:19:02,420
of thing a person can be convinced in

2980
02:19:05,140 --> 02:19:03,469
other words that they're seeing

2981
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:05,150
something strange from their own

2982
02:19:09,430 --> 02:19:07,040
personal experience until it's explained

2983
02:19:11,500 --> 02:19:09,440
to them in a way that makes sense in an

2984
02:19:13,810 --> 02:19:11,510
ende however it's completely subjective

2985
02:19:16,089 --> 02:19:13,820
and we were not dealing lies first of

2986
02:19:20,200 --> 02:19:16,099
all external stimuli it's all taking

2987
02:19:24,040 --> 02:19:20,210
place within the person's mind well let

2988
02:19:27,940 --> 02:19:24,050
me try to get an example between the two

2989
02:19:31,060 --> 02:19:27,950
extremes if somebody's had an abduction

2990
02:19:34,540 --> 02:19:31,070
experience and it's traumatized them and

2991
02:19:39,640 --> 02:19:34,550
they were taken aboard a craft and

2992
02:19:42,310 --> 02:19:39,650
examined and probed and assaulted shall

2993
02:19:47,650 --> 02:19:42,320
we say psychologically and physically

2994
02:19:50,260 --> 02:19:47,660
and they they they first of all have

2995
02:19:52,510 --> 02:19:50,270
very little recall of it and then under

2996
02:19:54,340 --> 02:19:52,520
for example hypnosis they might have a

2997
02:19:58,360 --> 02:19:54,350
little bit more rethought or they may

2998
02:20:01,210 --> 02:19:58,370
20th to recall it oftentimes don't want

2999
02:20:03,400 --> 02:20:01,220
to believe that that happened to them

3000
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:03,410
and will deny it and try to avoid

3001
02:20:06,820 --> 02:20:04,910
believing that something like that

3002
02:20:11,470 --> 02:20:06,830
happened to them because they don't

3003
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:11,480
really want to admit that it could have

3004
02:20:18,430 --> 02:20:14,840
happened and you know that that's the

3005
02:20:21,520 --> 02:20:18,440
case where we were consciously trying to

3006
02:20:24,010 --> 02:20:21,530
find excuse for not believing something

3007
02:20:25,750 --> 02:20:24,020
that happened that may have happened and

3008
02:20:27,790 --> 02:20:25,760
you know there might be people who say

3009
02:20:30,700 --> 02:20:27,800
well we didn't see him for half an hour

3010
02:20:33,430 --> 02:20:30,710
or he wasn't around you know who would

3011
02:20:35,340 --> 02:20:33,440
like verified that he wasn't present

3012
02:20:38,740 --> 02:20:35,350
when he said he was being abducted and

3013
02:20:40,540 --> 02:20:38,750
he might have these memories of all

3014
02:20:41,940 --> 02:20:40,550
kinds of traumatizing things that

3015
02:20:44,650 --> 02:20:41,950
happened to him while he was abducted

3016
02:20:48,070 --> 02:20:44,660
but he has no way of proving it and no

3017
02:20:50,950 --> 02:20:48,080
way of convincing anybody else so

3018
02:20:53,350 --> 02:20:50,960
basically what they retired to is well

3019
02:20:55,870 --> 02:20:53,360
you know if you feel like it didn't

3020
02:20:58,120 --> 02:20:55,880
happen to me it's okay you start to

3021
02:21:00,120 --> 02:20:58,130
believe that but I know what happened to

3022
02:21:01,360 --> 02:21:00,130
me you know they say in their online

3023
02:21:03,790 --> 02:21:01,370
believe

3024
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:03,800
that the experience was real oh I

3025
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:06,010
believe the experiences are real I've

3026
02:21:11,440 --> 02:21:09,050
known people that have had the

3027
02:21:14,051 --> 02:21:11,450
experience my question is just in its in

3028
02:21:17,380 --> 02:21:14,061
the interpretation of the experience so

3029
02:21:18,730 --> 02:21:17,390
a person can be entirely sincere but

3030
02:21:20,620 --> 02:21:18,740
again what we're dealing with they're

3031
02:21:22,960 --> 02:21:20,630
sort of two different kettles of fish in

3032
02:21:25,570 --> 02:21:22,970
that on one hand we have an external

3033
02:21:29,290 --> 02:21:25,580
stimulus which is affecting a person's

3034
02:21:32,410 --> 02:21:29,300
perceptual apparatus that is then being

3035
02:21:35,860 --> 02:21:32,420
experienced and shunted into memory in

3036
02:21:38,470 --> 02:21:35,870
the other situation what we have is a

3037
02:21:41,470 --> 02:21:38,480
person who awakes after the experience

3038
02:21:43,301 --> 02:21:41,480
is already over after the fact so we're

3039
02:21:45,730 --> 02:21:43,311
dealing only with a memory we're not

3040
02:21:48,400 --> 02:21:45,740
dealing with any real-time input of

3041
02:21:51,341 --> 02:21:48,410
stimulus into the person's mind in order

3042
02:21:52,841 --> 02:21:51,351
to generate the memory and so the

3043
02:21:55,330 --> 02:21:52,851
mystery seems to be well how does that

3044
02:21:59,140 --> 02:21:55,340
memory get there then I can't answer

3045
02:22:02,051 --> 02:21:59,150
that but I can point out that sometimes

3046
02:22:05,950 --> 02:22:02,061
when people are an S besides an

3047
02:22:08,170 --> 02:22:05,960
unconscious or or actually die is that

3048
02:22:11,320 --> 02:22:08,180
they can repeat conversations that took

3049
02:22:15,190 --> 02:22:11,330
place while they were in a deathlike

3050
02:22:18,070 --> 02:22:15,200
state conversations that occurred in the

3051
02:22:23,261 --> 02:22:18,080
operating theatre how is that pencil

3052
02:22:26,530 --> 02:22:23,271
well I don't know I I'm just I'm just

3053
02:22:29,220 --> 02:22:26,540
pointing out a different example where

3054
02:22:32,830 --> 02:22:29,230
they would not have picked this up

3055
02:22:35,410 --> 02:22:32,840
subconsciously through being exposed to

3056
02:22:38,170 --> 02:22:35,420
maybe film clips of what was going to

3057
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:38,180
happen or talking to doctors and being

3058
02:22:43,360 --> 02:22:40,370
told what was going to happen or kicking

3059
02:22:46,511 --> 02:22:43,370
that up on the nerves or something but

3060
02:22:48,100 --> 02:22:46,521
maybe maybe what's happening okay how's

3061
02:22:48,730 --> 02:22:48,110
this for a theory I mean I'm not a

3062
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:48,740
doctor

3063
02:22:54,820 --> 02:22:51,680
you are so maybe maybe you could sort of

3064
02:22:56,740 --> 02:22:54,830
say well you know that you could maybe

3065
02:23:00,430 --> 02:22:56,750
comment on how reasonable it might seem

3066
02:23:02,770 --> 02:23:00,440
so I know that our hearing centers are

3067
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:02,780
pretty much one of the last to go when

3068
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:05,330
we're dealing with people who are in a

3069
02:23:11,310 --> 02:23:07,730
brain death or near brain death when

3070
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:11,320
they're doing the the electro I

3071
02:23:15,010 --> 02:23:13,430
understand what you're saying right so

3072
02:23:16,479 --> 02:23:15,020
you've got the net

3073
02:23:18,219 --> 02:23:16,489
over there brain and they've got a

3074
02:23:20,380 --> 02:23:18,229
little thing that goes in there and it

3075
02:23:21,880 --> 02:23:20,390
vibrates and it sends signals through

3076
02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:21,890
the eardrum into the brain

3077
02:23:26,109 --> 02:23:23,930
and and when the brain is right down

3078
02:23:28,540 --> 02:23:26,119
even with that net on and most people

3079
02:23:30,490 --> 02:23:28,550
don't get that net put on them when they

3080
02:23:32,800 --> 02:23:30,500
go into brain death in a no are they

3081
02:23:36,010 --> 02:23:32,810
just simply don't do it they have other

3082
02:23:38,319 --> 02:23:36,020
things towards so what's happening is

3083
02:23:40,210 --> 02:23:38,329
and I've seen this because I experienced

3084
02:23:42,130 --> 02:23:40,220
this because my brother was killed in a

3085
02:23:44,229 --> 02:23:42,140
car accident and I had to be there to

3086
02:23:47,769 --> 02:23:44,239
witness all of this and I wanted to make

3087
02:23:50,170 --> 02:23:47,779
sure beyond any reasonable doubt that

3088
02:23:52,569 --> 02:23:50,180
his brain was gone before I would say no

3089
02:23:54,910 --> 02:23:52,579
you you pull the plug Randall will pick

3090
02:23:57,370 --> 02:23:54,920
up on this in our next segment with

3091
02:24:06,910 --> 02:23:57,380
Richard Randall and gene you're in the

3092
02:24:06,920 --> 02:24:10,309
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could still be happening is that the

3210
02:29:15,440 --> 02:29:13,470
eardrums

3211
02:29:18,889 --> 02:29:15,450
they don't stop functioning they they

3212
02:29:20,990 --> 02:29:18,899
work on a pneumatic principle so they

3213
02:29:24,559 --> 02:29:21,000
could hypothetically still be sending

3214
02:29:28,639 --> 02:29:24,569
very very weak signals into the neuro

3215
02:29:31,729 --> 02:29:28,649
system that when the brain comes back is

3216
02:29:32,780 --> 02:29:31,739
able to somehow pick up on those and

3217
02:29:34,190 --> 02:29:32,790
with being the amazing

3218
02:29:37,400 --> 02:29:34,200
pattern-recognition

3219
02:29:40,219 --> 02:29:37,410
creatures that we are figure out what it

3220
02:29:42,800 --> 02:29:40,229
meant I'm just this is a reach but I'm

3221
02:29:45,050 --> 02:29:42,810
saying at least it's something that

3222
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:45,060
connects the dots in in a physical

3223
02:29:50,809 --> 02:29:49,170
measurable way as opposed to just saying

3224
02:29:54,620 --> 02:29:50,819
well it's all magic we don't know how it

3225
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:54,630
happens right is that some reason I I

3226
02:29:59,719 --> 02:29:56,880
respect that example and I'm sorry that

3227
02:30:02,570 --> 02:29:59,729
you had to experience that it's possible

3228
02:30:06,670 --> 02:30:02,580
explanation for scientists who are

3229
02:30:11,090 --> 02:30:06,680
really really critical it's it's hard to

3230
02:30:13,400 --> 02:30:11,100
come up with some foolproof way of

3231
02:30:15,380 --> 02:30:13,410
explaining it it's just where you place

3232
02:30:19,460 --> 02:30:15,390
your faith your belief you know I think

3233
02:30:20,630 --> 02:30:19,470
I suspect that there's something having

3234
02:30:24,860 --> 02:30:20,640
to do with a higher consciousness

3235
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:24,870
involved here and your explanation of

3236
02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:27,810
the you know the the functioning of the

3237
02:30:33,710 --> 02:30:31,290
eardrum is also possible and I think

3238
02:30:35,620 --> 02:30:33,720
that it's maybe because of our different

3239
02:30:37,780 --> 02:30:35,630
experiences are different

3240
02:30:40,030 --> 02:30:37,790
approaches that we may see it

3241
02:30:41,980 --> 02:30:40,040
differently but I can respect that

3242
02:30:43,929 --> 02:30:41,990
you're saying I understand what you're

3243
02:30:47,710 --> 02:30:43,939
saying and that I agree that that could

3244
02:30:49,450 --> 02:30:47,720
be the case that's really it there well

3245
02:30:52,360 --> 02:30:49,460
that's a really healthy approach I mean

3246
02:30:54,730 --> 02:30:52,370
I'm really glad that we can have this

3247
02:30:56,380 --> 02:30:54,740
kind of a conversation with someone who

3248
02:30:59,980 --> 02:30:56,390
has your experience and wealth of

3249
02:31:03,300 --> 02:30:59,990
knowledge and a scientific mind as well

3250
02:31:06,520 --> 02:31:03,310
who can consider you know a rational

3251
02:31:10,570 --> 02:31:06,530
grounded objective approach to the thing

3252
02:31:13,450 --> 02:31:10,580
and not be saying put off by what might

3253
02:31:16,060 --> 02:31:13,460
seem like sort of a very skeptical point

3254
02:31:19,179 --> 02:31:16,070
of view on after lives and so on people

3255
02:31:21,880 --> 02:31:19,189
like me need people like you to keep a

3256
02:31:23,940 --> 02:31:21,890
balance and I think that we we help each

3257
02:31:27,280 --> 02:31:23,950
other if we listen to these brothers

3258
02:31:29,560 --> 02:31:27,290
that's a really healthy attitude so now

3259
02:31:33,550 --> 02:31:29,570
for me to completely flip this around

3260
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:33,560
the other way if we're talking about

3261
02:31:39,130 --> 02:31:36,170
some sort of way that our consciousness

3262
02:31:41,670 --> 02:31:39,140
or our memories can be stored in some

3263
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:41,680
sort of say virtual cloud up there

3264
02:31:47,170 --> 02:31:45,170
somewhere then that seems to lend

3265
02:31:49,540 --> 02:31:47,180
credence to this whole idea that maybe

3266
02:31:52,290 --> 02:31:49,550
we're living in some kind of a vast

3267
02:31:56,320 --> 02:31:52,300
simulation where all of our life

3268
02:31:59,650 --> 02:31:56,330
experiences are essentially shunted to a

3269
02:32:02,710 --> 02:31:59,660
vast memory buffer and can be

3270
02:32:05,050 --> 02:32:02,720
reconstructed at any time and this is

3271
02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:05,060
actually being taken seriously by some

3272
02:32:08,530 --> 02:32:06,560
scientists and researchers and

3273
02:32:11,550 --> 02:32:08,540
philosophers now what do you think of

3274
02:32:15,040 --> 02:32:11,560
that idea you know I understand that I'm

3275
02:32:18,150 --> 02:32:15,050
behind the times but the concept of a

3276
02:32:21,460 --> 02:32:18,160
super reality you know having to do with

3277
02:32:25,480 --> 02:32:21,470
some statistics some form of physics but

3278
02:32:28,690 --> 02:32:25,490
I I don't understand is possible but I

3279
02:32:30,790 --> 02:32:28,700
have to tell you an honest experience

3280
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:30,800
I'm when I was the boy I was around 12

3281
02:32:33,880 --> 02:32:32,960
years old why dived into a lake and I

3282
02:32:38,260 --> 02:32:33,890
didn't know how to swim

3283
02:32:40,480 --> 02:32:38,270
and as I thank to the bottom I thought

3284
02:32:42,490 --> 02:32:40,490
that all I had to do was jump up and you

3285
02:32:45,580 --> 02:32:42,500
know move my arms and I would float to

3286
02:32:47,889 --> 02:32:45,590
the surface but I was raised in Maine so

3287
02:32:49,450 --> 02:32:47,899
it was always too cold to learn how to

3288
02:32:52,719 --> 02:32:49,460
swim and I didn't really know

3289
02:32:54,880 --> 02:32:52,729
so I just tried and tried until I ran

3290
02:32:57,040 --> 02:32:54,890
out of breath and I could see people

3291
02:32:59,380 --> 02:32:57,050
above me floating on the surface and

3292
02:33:00,969 --> 02:32:59,390
they were like surfboards and I could

3293
02:33:03,130 --> 02:33:00,979
see them but I couldn't touch them I

3294
02:33:05,590 --> 02:33:03,140
wasn't tall enough well I was deeper

3295
02:33:09,849 --> 02:33:05,600
than I thought and the next thing I know

3296
02:33:12,550 --> 02:33:09,859
is that I'm experiencing things that

3297
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:12,560
happened to me when I was two and three

3298
02:33:19,080 --> 02:33:16,250
and four years old now where those

3299
02:33:22,750 --> 02:33:19,090
memories came to me by some

3300
02:33:25,660 --> 02:33:22,760
physiological process that these are

3301
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:25,670
memories that were stored in my mind and

3302
02:33:30,189 --> 02:33:28,250
I I just somehow triggered them by

3303
02:33:33,189 --> 02:33:30,199
having this near-death experience by

3304
02:33:36,280 --> 02:33:33,199
anoxia lack of oxygen or something like

3305
02:33:39,639 --> 02:33:36,290
that I don't know but what was not

3306
02:33:42,059 --> 02:33:39,649
explainable is that I did things that

3307
02:33:46,590 --> 02:33:42,069
were some of the things that were

3308
02:33:49,780 --> 02:33:46,600
immoral and I said I felt such a deep

3309
02:33:52,630 --> 02:33:49,790
regret for that that it was like a

3310
02:33:55,420 --> 02:33:52,640
revelation something that I had never

3311
02:33:57,969 --> 02:33:55,430
experienced before like the sense of

3312
02:33:59,769 --> 02:33:57,979
guilt that they came with recalling

3313
02:34:02,019 --> 02:33:59,779
these experiences that happened before I

3314
02:34:05,620 --> 02:34:02,029
could even remember them when I was

3315
02:34:07,510 --> 02:34:05,630
conscious so I think that if something's

3316
02:34:10,330 --> 02:34:07,520
better maybe a little more complex than

3317
02:34:11,860 --> 02:34:10,340
we believe and it convinced me that

3318
02:34:14,349 --> 02:34:11,870
there was something to the near-death

3319
02:34:16,900 --> 02:34:14,359
experience however I didn't do anything

3320
02:34:19,360 --> 02:34:16,910
about this until I was about a mile

3321
02:34:22,210 --> 02:34:19,370
eight forward a step when I went back

3322
02:34:24,580 --> 02:34:22,220
and got a degree on I did a thesis on

3323
02:34:26,500 --> 02:34:24,590
your desk experiences if I think I'm

3324
02:34:28,719 --> 02:34:26,510
still searching for the truth of what

3325
02:34:30,639 --> 02:34:28,729
happened to me and maybe that's why

3326
02:34:31,870 --> 02:34:30,649
people go into psychology because they

3327
02:34:33,670 --> 02:34:31,880
have problems but they're trying to

3328
02:34:35,050 --> 02:34:33,680
figure out I don't know thanks for

3329
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:35,060
sharing that that's a really interesting

3330
02:34:40,479 --> 02:34:38,210
story it was almost as if I was there

3331
02:34:42,790 --> 02:34:40,489
with you I was visualizing looking up

3332
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:42,800
from under the water at these people

3333
02:34:47,050 --> 02:34:45,050
above and imagining what it would be

3334
02:34:50,950 --> 02:34:47,060
like to not be able to reach up and

3335
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:50,960
breathe that must have been brilliant

3336
02:34:55,510 --> 02:34:52,970
really an amazing experience how were

3337
02:34:57,729 --> 02:34:55,520
you saved from that I don't really know

3338
02:35:00,849 --> 02:34:57,739
how I was I kind of was in this

3339
02:35:03,190 --> 02:35:00,859
alternate reality and I think somebody

3340
02:35:05,801 --> 02:35:03,200
must have spotted me

3341
02:35:08,801 --> 02:35:05,811
they pull me out so I remember being

3342
02:35:11,950 --> 02:35:08,811
pulled out of the water and I remember

3343
02:35:14,921 --> 02:35:11,960
being put on a with a large rock on my

3344
02:35:17,560 --> 02:35:14,931
stomach and then pressing on my back it

3345
02:35:20,710 --> 02:35:17,570
was like I was on the surface again and

3346
02:35:22,570 --> 02:35:20,720
I was coughing up water but the memories

3347
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:22,580
of what happened we're all so fresh in

3348
02:35:26,860 --> 02:35:24,650
my mind and I was a little confused at

3349
02:35:29,350 --> 02:35:26,870
the time well I had to go back to the

3350
02:35:31,960 --> 02:35:29,360
car was wrapped in a towel and and I

3351
02:35:33,040 --> 02:35:31,970
just forgot to mention my parents

3352
02:35:37,900 --> 02:35:33,050
because I just wanted to go swimming

3353
02:35:39,761 --> 02:35:37,910
again someday that's a very very

3354
02:35:43,091 --> 02:35:39,771
interesting I've heard quite a few

3355
02:35:45,551 --> 02:35:43,101
similar stories from people I love

3356
02:35:47,830 --> 02:35:45,561
talking about this stuff whether we can

3357
02:35:49,720 --> 02:35:47,840
explain it or not I absolutely believe

3358
02:35:53,740 --> 02:35:49,730
that people have these experiences that

3359
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:53,750
the phenomena itself exists and that we

3360
02:35:58,030 --> 02:35:56,000
certainly haven't explained it all so

3361
02:36:01,330 --> 02:35:58,040
thanks for coming on the show and

3362
02:36:03,580 --> 02:36:01,340
sharing and being willing to to listen

3363
02:36:06,761 --> 02:36:03,590
to someone like myself who it does take

3364
02:36:09,070 --> 02:36:06,771
a very skeptical I really enjoy speaking

3365
02:36:11,650 --> 02:36:09,080
to you and I think that's good for all

3366
02:36:13,180 --> 02:36:11,660
of us it's like breathing fresh air you

3367
02:36:15,850 --> 02:36:13,190
know sometimes we're in a closet too

3368
02:36:17,921 --> 02:36:15,860
long to get out and get some fresh air

3369
02:36:20,560 --> 02:36:17,931
and that's what it was for me speaking

3370
02:36:22,210 --> 02:36:20,570
of fresh air Richard do you tell our

3371
02:36:24,310 --> 02:36:22,220
listeners where they can find more of

3372
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:24,320
your stuff yes but the only things

3373
02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:26,720
anybody has to do is go on the internet

3374
02:36:32,650 --> 02:36:28,910
put my name Richard bond-athon

3375
02:36:35,620 --> 02:36:32,660
good nbe that'll get to my my my

3376
02:36:40,690 --> 02:36:35,630
articles or put animal mutilations

3377
02:36:42,610 --> 02:36:40,700
that'll get to my articles or do that'll

3378
02:36:44,950 --> 02:36:42,620
get to some of my articles just but my

3379
02:36:47,650 --> 02:36:44,960
name and the topic and they should come

3380
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:47,660
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3381
02:36:52,500 --> 02:36:49,610
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3382
02:36:55,750 --> 02:36:52,510
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02:36:59,591 --> 02:36:57,650
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02:37:01,660 --> 02:36:59,601
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3386
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:01,670
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3411
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3412
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3419
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